<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748</id><updated>2011-08-09T07:09:00.683-04:00</updated><category term='freedom of speech'/><category term='psychopaths'/><title type='text'>Lie Buster</title><subtitle type='html'>Believing in lies is what keeps us all in slavery.  Trouble is, most don't even know they are being lied to.    My wont is to bust those lies wide-open for any who care about these things.  Some do... some don't.  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The reason?  A discussion on the SOTT Forum that begins &lt;a href="http://www.sott.net/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1360&amp;p=1" target="_blank"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, that was entertaining enough when you think about the fact that the discussion that he objects to was centered on several newspaper articles that describe his close calls with the legal system in Oregon over charges of  sex abuse.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The legal document I received is 10 pages long so I'm just going to summarize it here.  If you want to read the whole thing (it's hilarious beyond belief!) go &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.com/images/hbi_.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; for the pdf.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF OREGON&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Civil No.: CV '08-0233 HA&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;COMPLAINT AND DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;HIGHER BALANCE, LLC, an Oregon&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Limited Liability Company, dba HIGHER&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BALANCE  INSTITUTE, Plaintiff&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;v.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;QUANTUM FUTURE GROUP, INC, a&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;California corporation, and LAURA&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;KNIGHT- JADCZYK, Defendants.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt; Plaintiff Higher Balance LLC, dba Higher Balance Institute ("HBI") files  this Complaint against defendants Quantum Future Group, Inc. ("QFG") and  Laura Knight-Jadczyk and alleges the following:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...defendants committed intentional torts that were purposefully targeted at  HBI within the State of Oregon; defendants knew that HBI is a resident of  the State of Oregon; defendants' tortious conduct cause HBI to suffer  economic harm within the State of Oregon; HBI's claims arise out of  defendants' activities relating to the State of Oregon; and the exercise of  jurisdiction over defendants is reasonable in light of their intentional  misconduct directed towards a resident of the State of Oregon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;As this Court has specific personal jurisdiction over the defendants, venue  is proper in this district and division under 28 U.S.C 1391(a)(3)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="BoldGrey"&gt;General Allegations:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;HBI is an Oregon-based company with over 40,000 customers from all over the  world.  HBI is dedicated to helping its customers relieve stress, reduce  anxiety, and achieve emotional balance and spiritual enlightenment through  meditation techniques.  The majority of HBI's revenues are derived from the  online sale of its books and CDs, which are designed to help its customers  learn these meditation techniques.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;[Etc...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendant QFG operates a website known as Signs of the Times ("SOTT"). QFG  posts articles and sponsors forums regarding various conspiracy theories and  allegedly corrupt organizations on the SOTT website.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Employees and agents of QFG, including defendant Knight-Jadczyk, serve as  administrators and moderators of SOTT forums.  QFG employees and agents,  including defendant Knight-Jadczyk, post comments and analyses in SOTT  forums.  These employees and agents act within the course and scope of their  agency for QFG when serving as administrators and moderators of the SOTT  website and when posting comments and analyses on the SOTT website.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;SOTT forums are available to the general public online.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...Many of HBI's existing and potential customers read the SOTT website as a  source of alternative media....&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="BoldGrey"&gt;FIRST CLAIM FOR RELIEF - Defamation - Libel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;....Beginning in May 2006, QFG sponsored a forum on the SOTT website  concerning HBI under the heading "COINTELPRO." &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Beginning in November 2007, defendants intentionally posted several false,  baseless, and derogatory accusations concerning HBI on the SOTT website  including, but not limited to:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;a. HBI is a "front for pedophilia";&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;b. HBI is a "cointelpro" organization;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;c. Meditation, as sold by HBI, is an act of "falling into confluence with a  psychopathic reality";&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;d. Those associated with HBI must be careful to avoid sexual molestation by  HBI members;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;e. HBI is conning the public;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;f. "Fishy sexual conduct is occurring at HBI; and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;g. HBI "leads people more deeply into sleep." &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;By posting these statements in a public internet forum, defendants have  published and communicated false and baseless accusations concerning HBI to  third parties, including existing and potential HBI customers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendants' statements tend to subject HBI to hatred, contempt, and ridicule  and tend to diminish the esteem, respect, goodwill and  confidence in which  HBI is held by the public and by its customers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendant made these false statements with knowledge of their falsity or  with reckless disregard for their truth.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;As a result of defendants' false and defamatory statement, HBI suffered  general damages in the form of loss of reputation in an amount to be  determined at trial, but in any event, not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$500,000&lt;/span&gt;.  HBI has also  suffered special damages in the form of lost income in amounts to be  determined at trial, but in any event, not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$834,732&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendants defamatory statements are still available to the general public  on the SOTT website and are easily found through internet searches relating  to HBI.  Defendants conduct causes HBI irreparable harm, and HBI is entitled  to an injunction preventing defendants' continued defamation of HBI.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="BoldGrey"&gt;SECOND CLAIM FOR RELIEF:  False Light&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendants intentionally gave publicity to matters concerning HBI that  placed HBI in a false light before the public. etc&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...economic damages ... not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$834,732&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="BoldGrey"&gt;THIRD CLAIM FOR RELIEF: Intentional Interference with Economic Relations - Interference with Business Relationships&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendant intentionally interfered with many of these business relationships  by communicating the false and defamatory information listed... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...economic damages ... not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$97,299&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;HBI... has also suffered damages in the form of loss of reputation ...  damages .... not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$500,000&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...Defendants conduct was malicious and warrants punitive damages... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="BoldGrey"&gt;FOURTH CLAIM FOR RELIEF: Intentional Interference With Economic Relations - Prospective Economic Advantage&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendant's interference has diminished the esteem, respect, goodwill, and  confidence in which HBI is held by the general public, thereby hindering  HBI's ability to obtain many new customers with whom HBI had a prospective  business relationship. ... damages to be determined at trial...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...On its First Claim for Relief, that HBI be awarded general and special  damages in amounts to be determined at trial, but in any event, not less  than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$1,334,732&lt;/span&gt;, and that defendants be enjoined from their continued  defamation of HBI.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...On its Second Claim for Relief, that HBI be awarded damages in an amount  to be determined at trial, but in any event, not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$1,334,732&lt;/span&gt;. and  that defendants be enjoined from continuing to place HBI in a false light.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...On its Third Claim for Relief, that HBI be awarded damages in an amount  to be determined at trial, but in any event, not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$597,299&lt;/span&gt;. plus  punitive damages, and that defendants be enjoined from their coninued  interference with HBI's prospective business relationships.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...On its Fourth Claim for Relief, that HBI be awarded damages in an amount  to be determined at trial, but in any event, not less than &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$1,205,000&lt;/span&gt; plus  punitive damages, and that defendants be enjoined from their continued  interference with HBI's business relationships.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;... That HBI be awarded pre-judgment and post-judgment interest on all  damages recovered.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;...That HBI be awarded its costs and disbursements incurred in this action;  ...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Harry and David demands a trial by jury on all issues so triable.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;25th day of February, 2008.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bullivant houser Bailey PC&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Renee E. Rothauge&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chad M. Colton&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tel 503.228.6351&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Attorneys for Higher Balance Institute &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whoah!  That's some heavy duty stuff, eh?  Sounds like we just ripped up on that poor guy for no reason at all!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;But that's not quite the situation.  The original article about Eric Pepin that was brought to our attention on page 5 of the above-mentioned forum thread read as follows:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;A 39-year-old Aloha man who promises spiritual awakening through meditation books and CDs he sells on the Internet is facing sex-abuse charges.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Beaverton police Detective Mike Smith said Eric J. Pepin runs what appears to be a cult out of his Higher Balance Institute on Southwest Second Street in Beaverton.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pepin was arraigned Tuesday in Washington County criminal court on one count of using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct, two counts of second-degree sexual abuse, and four counts of third-degree sexual abuse. He was released after posting $26,750 cash, or 10 percent of $267,500 bail. A trial was set for Sept. 12.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Using a child in a sexual display is a Measure 11 crime punishable by a mandatory minimum of 5 years and 10 months in prison.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jamison Dwight Priebe, 21, who works for Pepin and lives at the same address in the 19600 block of Southwest Cooperhawk Court in Aloha, also was arrested on one count each of using a child in a sexual display and third-degree sexual abuse.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Priebe and Pepin turned themselves in at the Washington County Jail last week after &lt;strong&gt;a grand jury handed down secret indictments&lt;/strong&gt;. Priebe was released after posting $25,375 cash bail and is awaiting arraignment Monday.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Smith said a man who is now 20 was 17 and working for Pepin when he allegedly was sexually abused at the Higher Balance office in the 11900 block of Southwest Second Street in Beaverton and at Pepin's former home in the city.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;A call to the Higher Balance Institute on Wednesday was answered by a "Personal Star Reach Coach,"  who referred questions to Pepin's private attorney, Sam Kauffman.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"The charges are false, and we are confident Mr. Pepin will be exonerated,"  Kauffman said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pepin's Web site claims he has located more than 100 missing persons and runaways, along with U.S. Navy submarines, through a psychic ability he calls "remote viewing."&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pepin's meditation systems, which sell for $79 to $149, help customers develop their "sixth sense"  and apply it "inward to awaken a dimensional universe within the mind,"  the Web site says.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;According to an affidavit&lt;/strong&gt; Smith filed with a request for a search warrant, the alleged victim told police that Internet customers who rave about Pepin's teachings are men and women usually older than 35. But, the man said &lt;strong&gt;Pepin told him he should recruit "good-looking men"  between the ages of 18 and 24 to work for him&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The court record also says Pepin knew the man was 17 when he forced him to perform sex acts.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The boy, Smith wrote, &lt;em&gt;"was taught by Pepin to believe that the sexual contact was only a spiritual necessity." &lt;/em&gt; But after a while, the affidavit says, the boy decided he was being used by Pepin, who bought him meals and paid him $200 after sex.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The man contacted Beaverton police in January.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Smith said anyone who may have had underage sexual contact with Pepin should call him at 503-526-2280.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Smith said the man accusing Pepin told police he met one of Pepin's followers at Beaverton Town Square in April 2004. He told Smith the recruiter invited him to meet Pepin and &lt;strong&gt;see him demonstrate levitation.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pepin introduced himself dressed in a robe emblazoned with the words "Master Eric"  and a triangular symbol &lt;/strong&gt;and told the victim to take off his shirt, the detective said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"It's a cult,"  Smith said, "anytime you have a guy who fancies himself as the master, the leader."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;In another story from Associated Press found &lt;a href="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t73204-50.html" target="_blank"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;, we read:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Beaverton police Detective Mike Smith said Pepin operated the Higher Balance Institute in Beaverton. Smith said &lt;strong&gt;the ornate robe emblazoned "Master Eric" turned up during a search&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, I've been falsely accused of trying to start a cult myself, so I might ordinarily have had sympathy for Pepin, but when I read the bit about the robe,  I blew my tea through my nose.   I guess that's why I'm such a failure as a cult-leader (aside from the fact that I'm not interested in the job) - I hardly ever wear anything other than sweats and bedroom slippers and spend all my time working! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;In any event, even though a grand jury felt that there was enough evidence to indict Pepin, he was eventually acquitted in trial before a judge as the following report informs us:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="BoldGrey"&gt;Institute leader acquitted of sex charges&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;HOLLY DANKS - HILLSBORO -- &lt;strong&gt;A Washington County Circuit judge called the leader of a metaphysical Internet sales company manipulative and controlling and his testimony unbelievable, even as he acquitted him Wednesday of charges that he had sex with an underage boy.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Judge Steven L. Price, after a five-day trial without a jury, found Eric James Pepin, 40, not guilty of two counts of second-degree sexual abuse, four counts of third-degree sexual abuse and one count of using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also acquitted of third-degree sexual abuse and using a child in a pornographic display was Jamison Dwight Priebe, 21, who has worked for Pepin's Higher Balance Institute since he was 18.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"Everybody has stood by me who knows me," Pepin said Wednesday after hugging supporters. "They had faith in me, prayed for me. I told them I wouldn't let them down. I did nothing of what was alleged. I've been nothing but honorable and impeccable."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, &lt;strong&gt;Price said it was "probable that the conduct alleged in all counts occurred," but he wasn't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. "There's a lack of strong corroboration," such as a date-stamp on a videotape of the sexual encounter, the judge said.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The accuser testified Pepin had him take off his shirt the first day they met at Pepin's Beaverton home in April 2004.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"He was going to try and fix my energy and he needed me to trust him," the accuser said. Pepin touched the teen's "chakra points" on his heart, head and lower abdomen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"Eric asked me to tell him everything I had done in my life that I was ashamed about,"&lt;/strong&gt; the teen added.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The accuser said Pepin asked him how old he was the first day they met and that he told him the truth.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"He said students had to be 18 because he didn't like parents fussing around," the accuser said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;But &lt;strong&gt;within days the two were having sex, including a three-way encounter with Priebe, the youth testified&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;Pepin called it "crossing the abyss," the accuser said, "surrendering yourself to your teacher, your master."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;Pepin testified he is gay and has had sexual relationships with most of his 11 employees&lt;/span&gt;, but not before they were 18. &lt;strong&gt;Pepin said he gave his accuser a job, even though the teen was a poor worker, and continued to be intimate with him and give him money &lt;/strong&gt;after he was fired, to help him out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Stephen A. Houze, Pepin's private defense attorney, called the accuser a liar more than 100 times in his closing argument and noted that Pepin was "the perfect patsy" because society wants to believe the worst of a gay man. &lt;strong&gt;Houze said the accuser brought the charges because he wanted to shake down Pepin.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pepin's Higher Balance Institute, now on Northwest Saltzman Road in Cedar Mill, reached an annual high of &lt;span class="BoldRed"&gt;$2 million in Internet sales&lt;/span&gt; of meditation CDs, tapes and books before his arrest in July.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pepin touts himself as a psychic and "remote viewer" who has found lost submarines and missing people, and says he created the "psychic pill" Magneurol6-S that enhances brain function, heals nerve damage, heightens paranormal experiences and relieves stress for $79 a bottle.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Andrew Erwin, deputy district attorney, called Higher Balance nothing more than a sex cult run by a "snake oil" salesman who preys on the troubled.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The accuser&lt;/strong&gt; had nothing to gain by going to police and &lt;strong&gt;turned down $250,000 from Pepin to drop the sex charges&lt;/strong&gt;, Erwin said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"I'm disappointed," Erwin said of the verdicts. "The judge wants proof beyond all doubt and that's too high a standard."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;And now, Pepin wants to sue QFG and yours truly for talking about these articles, published in a newspaper and scattered across the web (though all of them are no longer on the newspaper's website, wonder what's up with that?)!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Notice that Pepin, himself, revealed his "sex cult" practices in his own testimony.  We'll be trying to get transcripts of the trial to publish so our readers can hear it from the horse's mouth; stay tuned for that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Notice also that Pepin's attorney, Houze, accused the victim of bringing charges because he wanted to shake down Pepin even though the kid turned down 250 K hush money offered by Pepin.  Well, maybe that's what gave Pepin the idea of suing me.  Only thing is, he's gonna have a hard time collecting his 4.47 million because I don't own a thing, live in a rented house, drive a used car and QFG rarely has more than a grand in the bank at any given time.  When we have fund-raisers, the funds are used almost instantly, repaying loans and covering basic expenses for the site and equipment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;It's also humorous that Pepin is suing &lt;strong&gt;QFG&lt;/strong&gt; which only sponsors a world-wide group of independent researchers who, together, make up sott.net.  QFG doesn't own sott, nor does QFG have any employees nor any official oversight of anything that the sott.net researchers say or do.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;But the bottom line is this: Eric Pepin is convicted out of his own mouth of being a sexual predator.  I mean, what kind of teacher of meditation says that he has sex with all his employees?  And all of them young men?  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nope, we aren't backing down.  We firmly believe, based on available official documents and court records, that Eric Pepin is a danger to innocent people looking for spiritual guidance.  Obviously, young guys just looking for sex and money and a good time will be delighted to take his pills, listen to his tapes and attend his retreats.  But the wider public who are not aware of these things in Pepin's background, who are not aware that even the judge who acquitted him regretted having to do so, and that the Prosecutor of the case was also convinced that justice had NOT been done, need to be warned about this sexual predator in our midst.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe Eric Pepin will take Sott.net down, we don't know.  We don't have money for an expensive defense attorney, we barely stay afloat.  But even if that happens (and we hope our readers will &lt;a href="http://www.sott.net/signs/donate" target="_blank"&gt;help us out now as never before&lt;/a&gt;), there are others who know and I don't think that Eric Pepin and all his minions can track down and silence all of them.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Even if you can't give to our &lt;a href="http://www.sott.net/signs/donate" target="_blank"&gt;legal defense fund&lt;/a&gt;, I will appreciate letters of support during this trying time.  Write to sott(at)sott.net and I will try to answer each and every one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;And thanks to all our readers for your constant support and encouragement.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-7347680860590170946?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.sott.net/articles/show/150512-Eric-Pepin-Higher-Balance-Institute-Sue-SOTT-for-4-47-Million-Over-SOTT-Forum-Comments-' title='Blatant Attempt to Limit Free-Speech'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/7347680860590170946/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=7347680860590170946&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/7347680860590170946'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/7347680860590170946'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2008/03/blatant-attempt-to-limit-free-speech.html' title='Blatant Attempt to Limit Free-Speech'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-3008177082853663968</id><published>2007-05-29T22:32:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-05-29T22:46:50.920-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The Lies Continue to Continue!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="left"&gt;My Word!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have had 5 years of unrelenting LIES.  They just go on and on and on.  It's like the Energizer Bunny - on steroids!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh sure, lots of people are now aware we have all been lied to.  The question is now beginning to be:  What are people going to actually do about it, and WHEN?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is an article written by Paul Krugman of the New York Times I found at the &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/133126-Trust+and+Betrayal+"&gt;Signs of the Times website&lt;/a&gt; that would likely make you laugh if you didn't already feel so much like crying!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Trust and Betrayal&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;By Paul Krugman&lt;br /&gt;NY Times&lt;br /&gt;Tue, 29 May 2007 04:25 EDT&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In this place where valor sleeps, we are reminded why America has always gone to war reluctantly, because we know the costs of war." That's what President Bush said last year, in a Memorial Day ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those were fine words, &lt;strong&gt;spoken by a man with less right to say them than any president in our nation's histor&lt;/strong&gt;y. For Mr. Bush took us to war not with reluctance, but with unseemly eagerness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now that war has turned into an epic disaster, in part because the war's architects, whom we now know were warned about the risks, didn't want to hear about them. Yet Congress seems powerless to stop it. How did it all go so wrong?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Future historians will shake their heads over how easily America was misled into war. The warning signs, the indications that we had a rogue administration determined to use 9/11 as an excuse for war, were there, for those willing to see them, right from the beginning - even before Mr. Bush began explicitly pushing for war with Iraq.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, the very first time Mr. Bush declared a war on terror that "will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated," people should have realized that &lt;strong&gt;he was going to use the terrorist attack to justify anything and everything&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Note: some people are of the opinion that this cabal 'created' the 911 'terrorist attacks' so as to be able to further their agenda.  &lt;a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century"&gt;The Project for the New American Century (PNAC)&lt;/a&gt; concepts and the certainty that the gang now in power had the plan to invade Afghanistan, &lt;br /&gt;Iraq, Iran and probably a whole bunch more countries even before gaining power is very telling&lt;br /&gt;as to their intentions and probable methods to accomplish their aims]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When he used his first post-attack State of the Union to denounce an "axis of evil" consisting of three countries that had nothing to do either with 9/11 or with each other, alarm bells should have gone off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the nation, brought together in grief and anger over the attack, wanted to trust the man occupying the White House. And so it took a long time before Americans were willing to admit to themselves just how thoroughly their trust had been betrayed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a terrible story, yet it's also understandable. I wasn't really surprised by Republican election victories in 2002 and 2004: nations almost always rally around their leaders in times of war, no matter how bad the leaders and no matter how poorly conceived the war.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question was whether the public would ever catch on. Well, to the immense relief of those who spent years trying to get the truth out, they did. Last November Americans voted overwhelmingly to bring an end to Mr. Bush's war.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet the war goes on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To keep the war going, the administration has brought the original bogyman back out of the closet. At first, Mr. Bush said he would bring Osama bin Laden in, dead or alive. Within seven months after 9/11, however, he had lost interest: "I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure," he said in March 2002. "I truly am not that concerned about him."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In all of 2003, Mr. Bush, who had an unrelated war to sell, made public mention of the man behind 9/11 only seven times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Osama is back: last week Mr. Bush invoked his name 11 times in a single speech, warning that if we leave Iraq, Al Qaeda - which wasn't there when we went in - will be the winner. And Democrats, still fearing that they will end up accused of being weak on terror and not supporting the troops, gave Mr. Bush another year's war funding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Democratic Party activists were furious, because polls show a public utterly disillusioned with Mr. Bush and anxious to see the war ended. But it's not clear that the leadership was wrong to be cautious. The truth is that the nightmare of the Bush years won't really be over until politicians are convinced that voters will punish, not reward, Bush-style fear-mongering. And that hasn't happened yet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the way it ought to be: When Rudy Giuliani says that Iran, which had nothing to do with 9/11, is part of a "movement" that "has already displayed more aggressive tendencies by coming here and killing us," he should be treated as a lunatic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Mitt Romney says that a coalition of "Shia and Sunni and Hezbollah and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda" wants to "bring down the West," he should be ridiculed for his ignorance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And when John McCain says that Osama, who isn't in Iraq, will "follow us home" if we leave, he should be laughed at.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But they aren't, at least not yet. And until belligerent, uninformed posturing starts being treated with the contempt it deserves, men who know nothing of the cost of war will keep sending other people's children to graves at Arlington.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-3008177082853663968?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/3008177082853663968/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=3008177082853663968&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/3008177082853663968'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/3008177082853663968'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2007/05/lies-continue-to-continue.html' title='The Lies Continue to Continue!'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-116805738064908710</id><published>2007-01-05T23:14:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-05T23:23:01.626-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The REAL US Casualy Count!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt; It's sad but funny in a way just how 'few' US Troops are being reported as "casualties" in this insane conquest and occupation being called "Operation Iraqi Freedom"!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here's an article which helps to set the story straight.  I think it only 'helps' because there appear to be a very large number of soldiers who come home very 'changed' from their experiences there in Iraq.  War generally does that to people, but what is going on over there is in a particular way very much worse than what 'war' normally does to people.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The article is from &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/chains/signs20070105_KillingtheInnocent.php#9d4741d837d267638cb4b4bc9a1"&gt;Signs of the Times&lt;/a&gt; and written by Michael Munk:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46161/"&gt;The Real Cost of the Iraq War: 50,000 U.S. Casualties&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By Michael Munk &lt;br/&gt;AlterNet &lt;br/&gt;4 Jan 07&lt;br/&gt;Death is not the only measure of loss in Iraq. What about all of the lost limbs, bloodshed and other casualties that aren't being reported?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To bring the human cost to Americans of the invasion and occupation of Iraq home, antiwar groups across the country are marking mark the 3,000th death of a member of its military components (at this writing the total is 3,004). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But by focusing only on the number of dead Americans we are being manipulated along with the media and public by the administration's determination to minimize the cost in blood of establishing permanent military bases in the heart of the Middle East oil patch. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That public relations strategy consists of prohibiting images of the dead and wounded returning home and those of U.S. casualties in Iraq in the U.S. media as well as aggressive efforts to prevent such coverage by foreign media --including deadly attacks on Al-Jazeera reporters and offices. It also plants stories and interviews, leaks to FOX and other Pentagon-friendly reporters and provides generous payola to foreign (especially Iraqi) news sources. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Still, the most consistent propaganda effort since the invasion aims to keep public attention away from the actual amount of blood being shed by American military victims of the war and their families. That cost now exceeds 50,000 casualties -- a far cry from the 3,000 to which most of the public is restricted to know. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"Casualties" in the military sense is the total number made unavailable for duty from all causes, including deaths and wounds suffered in combat as well as injuries, accidents and illness in a war "theater" such as "Operation Iraqi Freedom" (the official Pentagon name for the invasion and occupation). So whether caused by "hostile" (24,965 as of Dec.27) or "non-hostile" (25,406 as of Dec. 2) causes, the Pentagon's own web sites record a toll of more than 50,000 so far in "OIF." &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, for most Americans who depend on mass media for information, the approaching number of only 3,000 is the only measure of the loss of life and limb the media allow them to know. For the rest of us, here are the facts: The Pentagon reports deaths on a daily basis at although its own total always lags behind the wire services number because it insists survivors must be informed before a dead solider, marine, sailor or airman can be added to the casualty lists. But the Pentagon only reports the wounded on the weekly basis (usually on Tuesdays) at the same site and it reports the non fatal casualties from non hostile causes only monthly and on another website. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From those sources, we can count U.S. military occupation forces casualties as more than 50,371 as of Dec. 27. The total (as above) includes 2,400 killed and 22,565 wounded (which includes both severely and less severely wounded) by what the Pentagon classifies as "hostile" causes. By that date, another 583 military personnel had died from "non hostile" causes such as accidents, suicides (there were 99 "self inflicted fatalities") and illness and, as of Dec. 2, another 24,823 had been injured or become ill seriously enough to require medical evacuation. According the excellent siteIraq Coalition Casualty Count, another 147 U.S. "contractors" have also been killed since they invaded Iraq. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I urge opponents of the war to make the public aware that the actual human cost of the invasion and occupation of Iraq exceeds 50,000 troops and their families who have suffered death and often life-long disability -- of whom the 3,000 are just one tragic part. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Michael Munk is a retired political scientist in Portland, Ore., where his "Portland Red Guide" is to be published by Ooligan Press on May Day.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-116805738064908710?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/116805738064908710/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=116805738064908710&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/116805738064908710'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/116805738064908710'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2007/01/real-us-casualy-count.html' title='The REAL US Casualy Count!'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-116588548694407696</id><published>2006-12-11T19:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-12-11T20:46:08.496-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Speaking frankly about Israel and Palestine</title><content type='html'> Many people are still loathe to admit that there is and has been for many years an extreme influence upon our 'elected government'.  That influence is the Israeli lobby which is known as AIPAC (American-Israel Political Action Committee) as Mr. Carter mentions in his article below.  Although his book is only about Israel and Palestine, the actions of &lt;strong&gt;this lobby&lt;/strong&gt;, which includes all of the other ways in which&lt;strong&gt; the Israeli Zionists&lt;/strong&gt; influence our entire governmental apparatus.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; The US government and it's people have been so unduly influenced by people of this very same ilk for just about this entire century!  It is high time we begin to understand that these people have an agenda which is &lt;strong&gt;NOT&lt;/strong&gt; for 'our' benefit in any way, shape or form!  They have nearly destroyed our country by shoveling us into war after war, ruining us economically and transforming our society into the Psychopathic mirror of their own constitution.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The below article by Mr. Carter is ample evidence that little can be done to change the way things happen until we rid ourselves of them and their agents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20061211_SpeakingfranklyaboutIsraelandPalestine.php"&gt;Speaking frankly about Israel and Palestine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;font&gt;By Jimmy Carter &lt;br/&gt;LA Times &lt;br/&gt;December 8, 2006&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I signed a contract with Simon &amp;amp; Schuster two years ago to write a book about the Middle East, based on my personal observations as the Carter Center monitored three elections in Palestine and on my consultations with Israeli political leaders and peace activists. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We covered every Palestinian community in 1996, 2005 and 2006, when Yasser Arafat and later Mahmoud Abbas were elected president and members of parliament were chosen. The elections were almost flawless, and turnout was very high - except in East Jerusalem, where, under severe Israeli restraints, only about 2% of registered voters managed to cast ballots. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations - but not in the United States. For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians. Very few would ever deign to visit the Palestinian cities of Ramallah, Nablus, Hebron, Gaza City or even Bethlehem and talk to the beleaguered residents. What is even more difficult to comprehend is why the editorial pages of the major newspapers and magazines in the United States exercise similar self-restraint, quite contrary to private assessments expressed quite forcefully by their correspondents in the Holy Land. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With some degree of reluctance and some uncertainty about the reception my book would receive, I used maps, text and documents to describe the situation accurately and to analyze the only possible path to peace: Israelis and Palestinians living side by side within their own internationally recognized boundaries. These options are consistent with key U.N. resolutions supported by the U.S. and Israel, official American policy since 1967, agreements consummated by Israeli leaders and their governments in 1978 and 1993 (for which they earned Nobel Peace Prizes), the Arab League's offer to recognize Israel in 2002 and the International Quartet's "Roadmap for Peace," which has been accepted by the PLO and largely rejected by Israel. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The book is devoted to circumstances and events in Palestine and not in Israel, where democracy prevails and citizens live together and are legally guaranteed equal status. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although I have spent only a week or so on a book tour so far, it is already possible to judge public and media reaction. Sales are brisk, and I have had interesting interviews on TV, including "Larry King Live," "Hardball," "Meet the Press," "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," the "Charlie Rose" show, C-SPAN and others. But I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have written. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the book is anti-Israel. Two members of Congress have been publicly critical. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for instance, issued a statement (before the book was published) saying that "he does not speak for the Democratic Party on Israel." Some reviews posted on Amazon.com call me "anti-Semitic," and others accuse the book of "lies" and "distortions." A former Carter Center fellow has taken issue with it, and Alan Dershowitz called the book's title "indecent." &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Out in the real world, however, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. I've signed books in five stores, with more than 1,000 buyers at each site. I've had one negative remark - that I should be tried for treason - and one caller on C-SPAN said that I was an anti-Semite. My most troubling experience has been the rejection of my offers to speak, for free, about the book on university campuses with high Jewish enrollment and to answer questions from students and professors. I have been most encouraged by prominent Jewish citizens and members of Congress who have thanked me privately for presenting the facts and some new ideas. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The book describes the abominable oppression and persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories, with a rigid system of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank. An enormous imprisonment wall is now under construction, snaking through what is left of Palestine to encompass more and more land for Israeli settlers. In many ways, this is more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during apartheid. I have made it clear that the motivation is not racism but the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from the displaced citizens. Obviously, I condemn any acts of terrorism or violence against innocent civilians, and I present information about the terrible casualties on both sides. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The ultimate purpose of my book is to present facts about the Middle East that are largely unknown in America, to precipitate discussion and to help restart peace talks (now absent for six years) that can lead to permanent peace for Israel and its neighbors. Another hope is that Jews and other Americans who share this same goal might be motivated to express their views, even publicly, and perhaps in concert. I would be glad to help with that effort. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By Jimmy Carter, the 39th president of the United States. His newest book is "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," published last month. He is scheduled to sign books Monday at Vroman's in Pasadena.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-116588548694407696?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/116588548694407696/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=116588548694407696&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/116588548694407696'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/116588548694407696'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/12/speaking-frankly-about-israel-and.html' title='Speaking frankly about Israel and Palestine'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114911727708302156</id><published>2006-05-31T19:06:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-31T19:14:37.516-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Jeff Rense - Compulsive Liar!</title><content type='html'>I have often had some reservations about Rense, but this following &lt;a href="http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/rense1.html"&gt;article by Lisa Guliani &lt;/a&gt;is MORE than revealing. It i s more in the category of mind blowing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Without further ado:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;by Lisa Guliani&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Patsy Smullin has run KOBI-TV for the last 30 years, and her father founded it. If anybody would have known Jeff Rense and the supposed 5,000 newscasts he claims to have made, it would be Patsy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it happens, Patsy Smullin does remember Jeff Rense, and in two different telephone conversations I had with her over the past few days, she confirmed that he did have a position at her television station for a brief time as a reporter and news anchor. Smullin stressed that Jeff Rense, or “a guy calling himself Jeff Rense” (her words), was employed at KOBI (an NBC affiliate) from June 1983 to May 1984, and she is not aware of him working at any other station in the state of Oregon either prior to his employment at KOBI-TV or afterward. [I would think if he'd worked at other stations previous to his KOBI position, these would be listed on his job application or resume when given to KOBI-TV.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Patsy had more to say. She revealed that in her experience as Jeff Rense’s employer (and this is a direct quote), “He was not known for his honesty.” Think about it. Patsy Smullin was Rense’s employer some twenty-odd years ago. After all this tiime, the characteristic that has remained clearly in her memory is that “he was not known for his honesty”. What does that say to you? According to Ms. Smullin, at that time Jeff was also involved in several court battles with other people. One wonders if it has anything to do with him not being known for his honesty?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When asked if she could elaborate on the comment she'd made regarding Rense not being known for his honesty, her response was: &lt;b&gt;"Sure. He was a compulsive liar."&lt;/b&gt; Also, when questioned as to the claim that Jeff anchored and produced “5000 newscasts,” Patsy Smullin laughed heartily and stated, “This is absolutely false. He never did that here.” Okay, if not at KOBI-TV, then where? Perhaps Jeff Rense will reveal this to us all at some point so we can check it out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But on his own website, Jeff Rense claims to have been an award winning news director and TV news anchor for 10-12 years (accounts vary). If not at KOBI, then where?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a class="list" href="http://www.rense.com/aboutnew1.htm"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An American Treasure&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"…an award-winning television News Director and News Anchor for over ten years, Jeff continually pushed for higher standards of journalism and responsible, intelligent reporting and inquiry. Regrettably, those goals were often at odds with the irrevocable TV news obsession for tabloid exploitation of the trivial, the tragic and the sensational.&lt;br /&gt;The situation became so dubious and distasteful that one day he walked away from his highly-successful news anchor/news director career (as high as a 53 Share of the audience - Nielsen) and moved to radio, recognizing it as the last viable approach to bringing reality to the American public...and now with the internet, to the world."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting that Rense declares himself to have worked as a news director and TV news anchor. An online search to verify this claim will return only Jeff’s words – repeated endlessly ad nauseum - as to the truthfulness of this assertion. There is literally no data to substantiate this claim anywhere on the Internet. The claim exists only on the Rense website and a few other websites that have copied and pasted the Rense claims onto their own pages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here’s another variation on the same theme: &lt;a class="list" href="http://talk-radio.20m.com/jeff_rense.html"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jeff Rense Hosts &lt;i&gt;Sightings&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"During 12 years as an award-winning broadcast journalist, Jeff anchored and produced more than 5,000 television newscasts. This devoted single dad is also author of the book AIDS Exposed and passionately investigates ways to prevent diseases and extend life. His brother is Rip Rense, longtime reporter for the Los Angeles Times. Jeff first did radio while an education major at the University of California Santa Barbara, and in 1994 he returned to this first love with the talk radio show "End of the Line." In 1997, by agreement with Henry ("the Fonz") Winkler and Paramount Pictures, this show transformed into the ratings star "Sightings."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;_______________________________________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Based on the following article he was a former news anchor at KOBI-TV. However, if one searches KOBI, there is no information on the former popular TV news anchor/news director Jeff Rense to be found.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a class="list" href="http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=1982"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Truth Is Up There&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Presiding over this conspiratorial miasma is talk-radio host Jeff Rense, whose weeknight show, Sightings, is broadcast from a studio somewhere in Southern Oregon. (Citing threats to his life, Rense asked WW not to print his exact location.) Five nights a week, millions of Americans (including an estimated 21,000 Portlanders) in 120 cities tune in to Rense to catch up on the latest news on alien abduction, Bigfoot, paranormal phenomena--and chemtrails.&lt;br /&gt;A former news anchor at KOBI-TV in Medford, Rense began to hear reports of chemtrails in 1999."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;________________________________________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The above page also says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...By the late 1980s, Rense had worked for a handful of network affiliates in the West. He said his ratings were high, and he got 'lucrative offers' from several Oregon stations. But he had also become disillusioned with TV news and decided to quit the business...."&lt;br /&gt;"...After walking away from his TV career path, Rense returned to Santa Barbara and opened three pet stores..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...By the early 1990s, he had sold his All About Pets outlets and in&lt;br /&gt;1994 approached KTMS with his idea for a talk-radio show, or at least his&lt;br /&gt;version of one..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;A Professional Broadcast Journalist&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"As an award-winning broadcast journalist, Mr. Rense has anchored and&lt;br /&gt;produced well over 5,000 live 30-and 60-minute television newscasts…&lt;br /&gt;He began his End of the Line radio show which is now in its fourth highly successful year. Recently, the End of the Line was acquired by the Premiere Radio Networks, one of the top two radio syndicators in the U.S., and renamed Sightings On The Radio through an agreement with Paramount."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"As a journalist and private citizen, he became aware of the misinformation and propaganda surrounding the worldwide AIDS epidemic. Devoting three years of his life to researching, collecting, and compiling information, Mr. Rense authored the underground best-seller, AIDS Exposed, published in 1996. This 420-page book has been acclaimed as 'overwhelming,' 'invaluable' and 'the supreme public service' by broadcasters, medical professionals, and educators alike. Appearing on scores of radio and TV talk shows as an author, Mr. Rense has also been invited to lecture at such institutions as the University of California and USC. He has also written numerous articles, papers, and reports on a wide range of subjects and acts as a consultant on many different issues."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rense's radio show "End of the Line" was renamed "Sightings on the Radio" with Paramount's backing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An extensive online search for articles, journalistic reports and papers from Rense’s purported pre-Rense.com prior journalism career yields nothing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How can this possibly be if he has written ‘numerous articles, papers and reports’? His book, AIDS Exposed, does not appear to be available anymore, with the exception of potential availability of a random used copy, if you’re lucky.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A search on the publisher of this book, Bioalert Press, coughs up nothing as far as any listing for a company website. The top link on Google search for Bioalert Press says:&lt;br /&gt;Bookstore-- Balaam's Ass Suggests you Read These Good Books-- Health&lt;br /&gt;AIDS Exposed-- Jeffrey Rense-- BioAlert Press-- Order from Jeffrey Rense, Box 764, Goleta, CA 93116.&lt;br /&gt;www.balaams-ass.com/bookstor/health.htm -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The above Google link would not come up for me in multiple attempts on different days. Regarding the Balaam’s Ass link, one has to order the book directly from Jeff Rense. Is Bioalert Press really just Rense? Has anyone out there ever heard of BioAlert Press?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find it very ironic that Rense claims to have become so disillusioned with the nature of the mainstream news broadcast business and its inclination to report tabloid style and sensationalistic material, when all anyone has to do is peruse the Rense.com website for 10 minutes to realize that this well-funded site – funded by the same mainstream businesses that Rense claims to detest – is full of nothing but a never-ending series of sensationalistic, tabloid-type, speculative, unsubstantiated or fabricated “news” articles. I have to ask: Is it only wrong, disillusioning and distasteful when “other” people do it, Jeff? Or are you doing it for them?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, online searches for any evidence of Jeff Rense’s longstanding claims regarding his extremely elusive broadcast journalism career path result in even more dead ends. There is an article on the Rense website entitled “The Most Dangerous Man in Talk Radio”, authored by an alleged LA writer named Kennedy Grey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this article, Kennedy Grey tells us, “When Jeff Rense walked away from a #1 rated Oregon TV news anchor position, people suspected job burnout. But Rense wasn't burned out on his job - his dissatisfaction was with the entire news media mainstream itself. Grey also states that Jeff spent “Twelve years as on on-air news anchor and News Director "up and down the west coast". Grey further says, “Rense set out to re-invent himself into a liberator of truth from the confines of a corrupt and bloated news broadcast industry.” He directly quotes Jeff Rense, who states that “Radio is theatre of the mind - a classroom of the mind."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very interesting comments, aren’t they? The news anchor/news director statement is impossible to verify via the Internet, and thus far Jeff Rense is not forthcoming with information in spite of email sent to him containing a link to our website inquiry dated Friday, May 26, 2006 entitled &lt;a class="list" href="http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/renserense.html"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Who is "Jeff Rense"?&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does anyone have a copy of any of these 5,000 Jeff Rense newscasts? We’d sure like to see one. Thus far, we have not been able to locate anyone other than one person who remembers seeing Jeff Rense anchoring a TV newscast.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only one TV news station’s call letters has been identified thus far. KOBI-TV 5 out of Medford, Oregon, which is an NBC affiliate. Pretty slim pickings. Nevertheless, I made a few phone calls to Medford, Oregon. One would think that as popular as Jeff Rense supposedly was, surely someone would remember him from the 1980s – particularly if he had produced and anchored 5000 newscasts up and down the West Coast. I contacted the Mail Tribune and spoke with an employee in the newsroom there. She had never heard of Oregon’s (former) #1 top rated news anchor, Jeff Rense. I’m awaiting a call back from Bob Hunter, editor of the Mail Tribune newspaper, to see if he has any recollections on this matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“5000 newscasts” is a lot of face-time, wouldn’t you agree?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Three calls to Rense’s former place of employment, KOBI-TV, speaking to four people who worked there didn’t help Rense very much. The first three individuals I spoke to had never heard of Jeff Rense and have no idea who he is. The fourth person was the owner of KOBI-TV, Patsy Smullin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jeff claims to have left KOBI due to his disillusionment with the mainstream news business and the tendency of TV news to sensationalize and dip into tabloid reporting, as stated above. I read Jeff’s published claims about this to Patsy Smullin. She responded, “That’s not the reason he gave to us at all. He said he was leaving to join his wife in their pet store.” (I am currently checking out the pet store information.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Overall, Patsy Smullin did not give the impression that Jeff Rense had been a good employee while at KOBI-TV. In fact, her remarks lead one to believe that he was dishonest and untrustworthy. It was all I could do to restrain myself from asking if he conducted newscasts while wearing a wig.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question we are entitled to ask is: why would Jeff Rense make so many claims about himself, and why would he twist the truth and make public assertions that are simply not true? Isn’t the “reinvented Jeff Rense” supposed to be all about truth and realism as opposed to sensationalistic, tabloid-style garbage? If one looks through his massive website, is it conceivable that a person might have some difficulty trying to discern the difference between Rense shinola and honest-to-god truth? Where does one end and the other begin? Furthermore, is Jeff Rense the person we really want to ask? Maybe that’s a little like asking the Bush Gang to investigate 911? (Oh, right! That’s already been done. Vanity Fair called it a “whitewash.”)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;----------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Jeff Rense” is a familiar name to countless political/conspiracy talk radio listeners and web surfers. In these circles, virtually everyone has heard of Rense.com. What very few people realize, or have even stopped to think about, is that very little is known about Jeff Rense himself. The available online biographical information is vague and deals in generalities, and has been copied and pasted from one web page to another over the years. The Rense legend has been dished out for public consumption in small, measured doses over time in word-bytes, with hardly anyone daring to openly question its veracity. Rense fans embrace, and often even vehemently defend the legend; those who don’t end up being ridiculed and attacked. That’s a curious feature of Rense’s position as a “Don of Conspiracy Theory.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jeff Rense is an interesting guy, wouldn’t you say? He’s almost a “legend,” and is even listed on a government site as the number one purveyor of “misinformation.” That’s quite an accomplishment in a world where “conspiracy theories” are mostly ignored and/or ridiculed. You could even say that it’s very good PR to get on such a list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My curiosity about Jeff Rense began to grow when I realized that he has maintained a large Internet presence for over a decade, and despite this, there is virtually no information on him other than that which one finds on his website. How has Jeff Rense managed to keep information about himself off the world wide web all these years? That’s an interesting question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We live in a time that discourages curiosity about the ‘wrong” topics – that’s a hallmark of the Fascist Bushistas - and it seems that questioning Rense is definitely “off limits”. We have to wonder why that is? Asking questions about the ‘wrong” people is treated almost as sacrilege. We love to hold our heroes and gurus high, don’t we? But we have learned the hard way that questions are only discouraged by those who have something to hide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What could such a nice guy, such a great “patriot” as Jeff Rense possibly have to hide?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After spending some time combing through his claims and trying to find verification, I began to realize that “Jeff Rense” is little more than a reinvention. He has made some very interesting claims over the years, particularly with respect to his former stints in broadcasting and journalism; claims that served as building blocks in the creation of a legend, a legend constructed from the twisting of truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, let’s look at “Jeff Rense” shall we?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;Claim #1&lt;/u&gt;: On the Rense.com homepage, we see the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“7-time Peabody Award Nominee”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a class="list" href="http://www.jeffrense.com"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rense Peabody Talkers claim&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;Peabody Awards&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Truth: The Rense.com website claims 7 Peabody Award nominations. The Peabody Awards do not have nominees. Anyone can fill out an entry, and then later the winners are announced. The following is an email from the Peabody Awards Foundation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The Peabody Awards program receives between 1,000 and 1,200 entries each year. We have a 15 member judging panel that meets several times during the judging season, as well as listening to/watching entries alone in their homes. They discuss all entries as a group, usually awarding between 30 and 35 Peabodys each year. There are no set number of awards given, and the board does not choose winners according to categories. We do not have a list of finalists or "nominees" as other awards programs have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically we have entrants and winners.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;                    Danna L. Williams Senior Administrative Assistant, emailed Feb. 6th 2006 "&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, you could nominate me, I could nominate you, and we could all nominate Bozo the Clown. The Peabody panel will most likely be interested in these suggestions, but ultimately it is THEY who choose the winners – not the public. There are no official lists of “nominees”. Rense’s website claim to be a “7 Time Peabody Award Nominee” is not only misleading, it means essentially nothing. It is presented to create a false impression of Rense’s achievements, basically it’s deceptive bullshit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;Talkers Magazine&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;Claim # 2&lt;/u&gt;: The Rense website states: “Talkers magazine top 100 Host”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a class="list" href="http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;amp;id=19&amp;Itemid=44"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talkers Magazine ‘Heavy Hundred’&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;Truth&lt;/u&gt;: Please note that Jeff Rense isn't listed in the top 100, and he isn't even listed in the additional 250 names cited in the rest of Talkers Top Radio Show Host picks for 2006. Rense failed to make the cut for 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, etc. Rense was on the list once about 6 or 7 years ago, according to a response to my inquiry from Talkers. In fact, they find it pretty interesting that Jeff Rense is continuing to present this claim on his website, creating the appearance of his inclusion on this popular list, when in fact he is currently not listed. Talkers characterized this misleading representation in one word: “deceptive”, saying they will be keeping an eye on Rense and any Talkers-related claims from here on. Take a look at the list linked above. Call Talkers Magazine and ask them yourself if he is indeed on the Heavy Hundred list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;Claim #3&lt;/u&gt;: Rense’s Myspace web page at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a class="list" href="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;amp;friendid=74176034"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rense My Space Profile&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;lists his location as Ashland, Oregon – yet his &lt;a class="list" href="http://www.myspace.com/jeffrenseprogram"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rense.com fan page&lt;/a&gt; says he is in California. Which is it? Oregon or California? Does Rense have two residences? If so, how does one afford two residences on an Internet radio income?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, the answer could be that one is his residence and the other is his business address, but again I ask: if he is just doing his thing because he is a “true patriot,” knowing how hard it is for other true patriots to make ends meet, we have to ask who is paying for his office? What money is backing him? His MySpace page states an income of $100,000-$150,000 per year. That’s a pretty good chunk of change for a guy who claims to be in the business out of the goodness of his heart and his interest in truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;Claim #4&lt;/u&gt;: Jeff Rense From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Former television news anchorman Jeff Rense, who lives in Santa Barbara, California, is a popular conspiracy theorist and is the host of the Jeff Rense program which is broadcast on terrestrial radio and on the Internet. He originally became famous in the 90's with the program "Sightings". His radio program and website (See below) cover such subjects as UFO reports, paranormal phenomena, conspiracy theories, reports of new diseases and a plethora of other material rarely covered by the mainstream media. Jeff Rense leans towards a populist approach regarding politics and media. Rense does not subscribe to any conventional political standpoint and many of his views are simultaneously left and right leaning. Rense has one brother: writer, Rip Rense. His step mother, New York socialite and editor-in-chief of Architectural Digest Magazine, is Paige Rense. His father, now deceased, was sports journalist, Arthur F. Rense (1917-1990). Jeff Rense is also a vegan."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here we learn that Rense’s views are simultaneously both left-leaning and right-leaning. Sounds like an impossible contortion to me. It is also established from more than one source that Jeff’s father, Arthur Rense, formerly a sportswriter and sometime poet, also landed a job at Douglas Aircraft doing PR. How does a poet and sports writer qualify for work as a public relations director at Douglas Aircraft, one of the biggies of the Military Industrial Complex? Here is the NY Times obituary for Arthur Rense:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Arthur F. Rense, Public Relations Executive, 74&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Published: January 5, 1991&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Arthur F. Rense, a retired public relations executive, died on Dec. 28 at his home in Las Vegas, Nev. He was 74 years old. He died of leukemia, said his wife, Paige Rense, editor in chief of Architectural Digest. Mr. Rense had been director of public relations for the Summa Corporation, owned by Howard R. Hughes, until he retired in 1985. He had been public relations director for the missiles and space systems division of Douglas Aircraft Company and director of public relations at Harvey Mudd College in Claremont, Calif. Besides his wife, Mr. Rense is survived by three sons from a former marriage, Kirk of Irvine, Calif., Jeff of Santa Barbara , Calif., and Rip of Sherman Oaks, Calif.; four brothers, Randy, Andy and Frank, all of Cleveland, and William of Denver; and two grandchildren.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding Summa Corporation: The Washington Post for April 1, 1975, carried this information:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Summa Corp. is the financial umbrella under which most of (Howard)Hughes' worth is contained. . . .Most recently, another Summa "asset" hit the news: the $350 million Hughes Glomar Explorer vessel that Hughes built at the behest (and the expense of) the Central Intelligence Agency . . . &lt;a class="list" href="http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no38.htm"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mormons, Hughes, &amp; CIA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Summa Corporation has been tied to CIA contracts on more than one occasion, to say the least. Douglas Aircraft Company is also well-known for its numerous government contracts, not to mention the starring role it is now playing in Bush’s Endless War. So again I ask: how did “poet and sports writer” Arthur Rense end up as public relations director for Douglas Aircraft and Summa Corp? In bed with the Feds? More importantly, what kind of connections does his son Jeff have with these same gangs? After all, his views are “both left and right” which suggests that he could have “left” views to vacuum in his audience all the while subtly converting them to “right” views.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Douglas Aircraft also has ties with RAND Corporation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RAND (Encyclopedia)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The RAND Corporation is an American think tank.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"A think tank is a group of individuals dedicated to high-level synergistic research on a variety of subjects, usually in military laboratories, corporations,... first formed to offer research and analysis to the U.S. military. The organization has since expanded to working with other government and commercial organizations&lt;br /&gt;Project RAND was set up in 1945 by the USAAF, under contract to the Douglas Aircraft Company.&lt;br /&gt;An interesting aside, Condoleezza Rice is a former RAND CorporationTrustee 1991-1997 and current Secretary of State for the United States, a war whore if ever there was one."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, I think everybody knows that Summa, Douglas Aircraft, and RAND are all major players with DOD, military and intelligence agencies in the fascist government that Jeff Rense claims to oppose. Yet we find that his father, Arthur Rense, poet, sports writer, was “somehow” a public relations director for both Douglas Aircraft and Summa Corporation? I would very much like to hear Jeff Rense publicly discuss this curious fact one of these fine days and explain how he could live much of his life with alphabet soup guys swarming around and avoid being sucked into the game. Funny how this topic never seems to come up, isn’t it? Perhaps he just keeps forgetting to mention it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I want to come back to the fact that Jeff Rense has been “honored” by being listed on an official government website as a major purveyor of “disinformation.” Among the conspiracy minded crowd, that is a high kudo indeed. But is it evidence that Jeff truly is a news source standing in opposition to the Bush Reich and their Endless Wars of Lies and Agression?&lt;br /&gt;Maybe not. As Robin Ramsay, Editor of Lobster Magazine, wrote in the February issue of Fortean Times:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, the US State Department has begun trying to rebut some of the current conspiracy theories about America. Their first targets were a couple of websites - www.rense.com and Conspiracy Planet - and the late Joe Vialls, an Australian. What a boost for the named sites! Attacked by the State Department![...]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Y]ou don't have to be a PR genius to see that what you simply mustn't do is launch official attacks: all they do is amplify and legitimise the theories by announcing that they are deemed to be worth attacking. [Fortean Times 206, February 2006, p. 19]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What a coup for Rense and Alex Jones! To be officially declared the primo disinfo sites!&lt;br /&gt;Now, if you know anything about COINTELPRO, you expect that the real COINTELPRO operations will be attacked "officially" in order to legitimize them exactly as Robin Ramsay has described. That also means that those who are honest and sincere seekers of truth and who do their homework and expose the lies of the Bush Reich will most certainly NOT be martyred by the official government. It's way too dangerous and gives them legitimacy. Rather, they will be defamed by the “officially designated disinformation agents” – and dare we say it? – agents of COINTELPRO - such as Jeff Rense, Alex Jones and similar disinformation agents that have received the Bush Reich seal of approval. In fact, it seems that this is a well-orchestrated plan that is described in detail in that much maligned document, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” A really good way to keep your eye on the ball is to consider Protocol 12...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, it is important when reading the Protocols to not assign it's origin to any national, ethnic, or religious group. Rather, consider it to be a statement of any group that seeks to control and dominate and use the public for their own gain Then you will truly begin to understand who is who. (Excerpts of Protocol 12: Control of the Press are located at the end of this article):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, Jeff Rense accused WING TV of engaging in deception, trickery, subterfuge, lying, slandering and libel, just to name a few of the charges. He has publicly called Victor Thorn and myself “dirtball scum” and together with Alex Jones and their groupies, charged us with being “cointelpro assets, government agents and un-American operatives." True to form and apparently attached to Rense at the hip and the lip, (and linked on the official government site, I should add), Alex Jones reinforces, endorses, and repeats Rense’s vomitus, only louder. What’s amusing about this is that Rense, Jones, nor any of their groupie parrots have yet to substantiate any of these bogus charges made against us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me get this straight: nobody has to qualify with data anything they say, including (and particularly) veteran journalist Jeff Rense? Alex Jones has yet to qualify any of his ridiculous comments about us either, and he refuses to hold himself accountable for his own words.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ask yourself: Why? Is it conceivable to anyone out there that they cannot PROVE the things they say about WING TV? Moreover, this begs the question, can they prove any and all of the other “gospel-truth” claims they’ve made over the years? That is another very good question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You see, we are supposed to just believe what they say simply because they say it. Forget about facts, data or substantiation. Forget about showing evidence of their assertions; forget about journalistic ethics; just nod your head and agree. Don’t ask questions. Gobble up the lies and twisted half-truths and get your fill of the fix du jour. After all, in the words of Jeff Rense, it is all a “theater of the mind”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What we observe is that both Rense and Jones pander to a “least common denominator” audience demographic, the people out there who don’t bother to check things out for themselves and will just repeat what they hear and read over and over, like good little automatons. This is the ideal Rense-Jones target audience, one which will worship blindly, surrender critical thinking skills, believe without questioning or disagreement, and of course, shell out the bucks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Incidentally, I did a search on Kennedy Grey, the LA writer who penned the article about Rense entitled “The Most Dangerous Man in Talk Radio”. He (she) is supposedly the founder of a group called RAS, an acronym for ‘Rock Against Suicide’. Unfortunately, a Google search for Kennedy Grey did not yield a website for the RAS group anywhere, but there is an interview with Kennedy Grey on this website: The Internet Nirvana Fan club.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a class="list" href="http://www.nirvanaclub.com/index.php?section=info/nfcinterviews&amp;file=kgrey.htm"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nirvana Fan Club&lt;/a&gt;. Oh boy, how impressive. A Curt Cobain suicide website.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was not able to find any links online to Grey’s organization, RAS, or to Kennedy Grey, other than the single article he wrote which is published on Rense.com. I would like to find Kennedy Grey and ask whether he/she even bothered to check out any of the claims Rense made to him in the interview. I’d like to learn if Kennedy Grey is a real person, for that matter, or just a construct of Rense. Whatever the case may be, it doesn’t look like Grey checked out any of the statements Rense made in that interview. If some fact-checking had been done, Grey’s article would probably be written a bit differently. At the very least, it should have been.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rense and Alex Jones enjoy howling that “Honest-to-God patriots" NEVER attack other patriots. That sounds a lot like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;"For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy…. No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification."&lt;/i&gt; [Protocols]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is, those who do the research know that the Founding Fathers engaged in a great deal of spirited, heated, sincere dispute with one another. Some of them hated one another with a passion, yet in spite of this animosity, worked together for the common good of all; as the cause was greater than themselves, and they all knew this to be true. So where do Rense and Jones come off bellowing such obnoxious bullshit, especially when we consider the fact that merely branding oneself a “patriot” does not necessarily make it so. I could call myself “Madonna”, but that doesn’t mean I AM Madonna.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Appearances can be very deceiving, especially when some so-called “patriots” choose to hide behind microphones in undisclosed locations, behind wigs and a couple of re-touched, photo-shopped cartoon pictures of themselves, and when all they choose to disclose is a limited amount of extremely vague babble about their alleged past accomplishments, achievements, or experience designed solely to “create a legend”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then, when we discover, with a minimum of investigation, that their claims do not hold up, that it is all completely manipulated, twisted, exaggerated, amplified and contorted facts designed to present a false front, we are entitled to question everything else. Why do people tell lies, whether overtly or by omission? Some do it because of mental issues, some do it for profit, and some do it just because they can.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bottom line: Jeff Rense has falsely accused WING TV of trading in lies, deception, duplicity, innuendo, disinformation and trickery. Jeff Rense better start looking in the mirror, because I see a so-called “patriot” that needs to come clean about a few things, someone who is “not known for his honesty”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Definitions of deception on the Web:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• misrepresentation: a misleading falsehood&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• the act of deceiving&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• magic trick: an illusory feat; considered magical by naive observers&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Deception is providing intentionally misleading information to others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• To practice deceit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• To give a false impression: appearances can deceive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• To cause to believe what is not true; mislead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid intransitive verb : to practice deceit&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• be false to; be dishonest with - 2: cause someone to believe an untruth&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stay tuned, because this investigation is not over. More to follow soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;                    &lt;i&gt;"The big print giveth and the small print taketh away."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;                    ~ Tom Waitts ~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Protocol 12: Control of the Press&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows –&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. We shall deal with the press in the following way: what is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy…. No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our government infallibility. The pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I BEG YOU TO NOTE THAT AMONG THOSE MAKING ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO BE ORGANS ESTABLISHED BY US, BUT THEY WILL ATTACK EXCLUSIVELY POINTS THAT WE HAVE PRE-DETERMINED TO ALTER.&lt;br /&gt;WE CONTROL THE PRESS&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. If already now we have contrived to possess ourselves of the minds of the GOY communities to such an extent that they all come near looking upon the events of the world through the colored glasses of those spectacles we are setting astride their noses; if already now there is not a single State where there exist for us any barriers to admittance into what GOY stupidity calls State secrets: what will our positions be then, when we shall be acknowledged supreme lords of the world in the person of our king of all the world ....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. Let us turn again to the FUTURE OF THE PRINTING PRESS. Every one desirous of being a publisher, librarian, or printer, will be obliged to provide himself with the diploma instituted therefore, which, in case of any fault, will be immediately impounded. With such measures THE INSTRUMENT OF THOUGHT WILL BECOME AN EDUCATIVE MEANS ON THE HANDS OF OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THE MASS OF THE NATION TO BE LED ASTRAY IN BY-WAYS AND FANTASIES ABOUT THE BLESSINGS OF PROGRESS. Is there any one of us who does not know that these phantom blessings are the direct roads to foolish imaginings which give birth to anarchical relations of men among themselves and towards authority, because progress, or rather the idea of progress, has introduced the conception of every kind of emancipation, but has failed to establish its limits .... All the so-called liberals are anarchists, if not in fact, at any rate in thought. Every one of them in hunting after phantoms of freedom, and falling exclusively into license, that is, into the anarchy of protest for the sake of protest....&lt;br /&gt;FREE PRESS DESTROYED&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. We turn to the periodical press. … if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us, they will not find any person eager to print their productions. Before accepting any production for publication in print, the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for permission to do so. Thus we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanations on the subject treated of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the privately-owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind .... If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in no wise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant.&lt;br /&gt;10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;13. In order to direct our newspaper militia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizing this matter. Under the title of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watchwords of the day. By discussing and controverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to express ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;14. THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED TO THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders.&lt;br /&gt;ONLY LIES PRINTED&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;15. Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquillize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;16. Trial shots like these, fired by us in the third rank of our press, in case of need, will be energetically refuted by us in our semi-official organs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other .... These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after him with enthusiasm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;18. Our calculations are especially extended to the provinces. It is indispensable for us to inflame there those hopes and impulses with which we could at any moment fall upon the capital, and we shall represent to the capitals that these expressions are the independent hopes and impulses of the provinces. Naturally, the source of them will be always one and the same - ours. WHAT WE NEED IS THAT, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE ARE IN THE PLENITUDE POWER, THE CAPITALS SHOULD FIND THEMSELVES STIFLED BY THE PROVINCIAL OPINION OF THE NATIONS, I.E., OF A MAJORITY ARRANGED BY OUR AGENTUR. What we need is that at the psychological moment the capitals should not be in a position to discuss an accomplished fact for the simple reason, if for no other, that it has been accepted by the public opinion of a majority in the provinces.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;19. WHEN WE ARE IN THE PERIOD OF THE NEW REGIME TRANSITIONAL TO THAT OF OUR ASSUMPTION OF FULL SOVEREIGNTY WE MUST NOT ADMIT ANY REVELATION BY THE PRESS OF ANY FORM OF PUBLIC DISHONESTY; IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE NEW REGIME SHOULD BE THOUGHT TO HAVE SO PERFECTLY CONTENDED EVERYBODY THAT EVEN CRIMINALITY HAS DISAPPEARED ... Cases of the manifestation of criminality should remain known only to their victims and to chance witnesses - no more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that all of the above may sound very familiar to all of you reading this. The only difference is that now we work with the Internet and not printed materials. But the principles are the same.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114911727708302156?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114911727708302156/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114911727708302156&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114911727708302156'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114911727708302156'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/05/jeff-rense-compulsive-liar.html' title='Jeff Rense - Compulsive Liar!'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114790519616283636</id><published>2006-05-17T18:25:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-17T18:33:16.520-04:00</updated><title type='text'>New Pentagon Video is more proof Boeing Aircraft NOT Involved</title><content type='html'>But gee, how stupid do they really think we all are?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These tapes are nothing but a re-hash of the same old 'it shows nothing' that were released years ago. If they showed nothing which could be identified as a Boeing aircraft then, how could they pretend that they show something now?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a good article by &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060517_NewDoctoredVideoofPentagonAttackReleaseConfirmsBoeingWasNotInvolved.php"&gt;Joe Quinn&lt;/a&gt; who has been writing about the Pentagon crash before, taken from &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060517_NewDoctoredVideoofPentagonAttackReleaseConfirmsBoeingWasNotInvolved.php"&gt;Signs of the Times&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;New Doctored Video of Pentagon Attack Release - Confirms Boeing Was Not Involved&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Joe Quinn&lt;br /&gt;Signs of the Times&lt;br /&gt;17/05/2006&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It only took four and a half years, but finally the U.S. government has seen fit to confirm what so many of us have been saying all along - Pentagon security cameras recorded no evidence of a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The videos comprise the footage from each of the two security cameras stationed close to each other at one end of the Pentagon. The first video contains nothing new given that it is simply the footage from which 5 stills were taken and released in early 2002 by the Pentagon, the extra footage merely being the scene after the impact. The second video comprises previously unseen footage from the security camera that is slightly closer to the impact point. The Pentagon alleges that in this video the "nose cone" of a plane can be seen in one frame. It should be noted that the security cameras appear to be the standard type installed in train stations and airports around the world. Most people will have seen footage from such cameras showing people walking in "jumps", which is due to the fact that the camera records a still image every 2 seconds or so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Basically then, while the mainstream press is trumpeting the line that "the Defence Department has released "the video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon", nothing could be further from the truth because there is still no evidence of a Boeing 757 in the security camera footage. If mainstream press reporters were to be honest (for once in their lives) the most they could state would be that: "the DOD has released a video of the attack on the Pentagon in which something appears in one frame of the footage and the U.S. government claims that this 'something' is the nose cone of Flight 77."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let's take a look at this "nose cone":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;img alt="pentagon video" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/images/nose_cone.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;This, ladies and gentlemen, is "Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon". This, is supposed to "finally put to rest" the "conspiracy theory" (backed up by massive evidence) that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon. This, is apparently the best the DOD can do, or is prepared to do, to convince the world that they are telling the truth about what happened on 9/11. It doesn't say much for their confidence in their own story, does it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Below is a zoom of the same "nose cone":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;img alt="cone" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/images/nose_cone_zoom.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is it more clear now? Can you see Flight 77 in all its glory? All we can see is an amorphous white blob that looks more like a car than the nose cone of any aircraft. Obviously the images are too grainy to be of any use to anyone. At this point then, the most we can say is that an amorphous white blob with definite Islamic terrorists leanings hit the Pentagon on 9/11.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The above image comprises one frame and 2 seconds (7 and 8) of the footage, the next and subsequent frames show the explosion, there is nothing in between, at least not on this camera footage. On the footage from the second camera, from which the original five stills were cut, an image of "Flight 77" moving between the right most edge of the camera angle and the Pentagon facade is visible. Perhaps you remember it. For old times' sake, let's have a look:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;img alt="pentagon video" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/images/smoke_trail.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;As you can see, this image, along with the new image of the "nose cone" appears to back up the idea that it was indeed an amorphous white blob that hit the Pentagon. Case closed? Well there is still the problem of where the hell the plane is in the above still. If, as the government claims, this image shows Flight 77 a few dozen feet from the Pentagon, we are still left with the question of, "where the hell is the plane!?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The side of the Pentagon is 971 feet long and the "blob" or smoke trail in the above image is no more than 750 feet (250yards) from the camera. Remember the indelible images of those huge planes flying into the World Trade Center towers? The WTC planes were approximately the same distance from the observers on the ground as the "blob" in the above image was from the camera. So why can't we see a large 757 in the above image?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;To sum up: At this stage, absent any new future video from the DOD, the U.S. government's "evidence" that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon consists of:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;the "nose cone" frame&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;the white smoke trail or "blob" frame&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;the explosion at the Pentagon frames.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Convincing stuff, eh? This evidence is all the more suspect given the fact that the FBI confiscated tapes from at least two other video cameras in the area that would surely provide a more complete picture, but they refuse to release them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The release of the DOD video footage comes at a very interesting time. Some readers may be aware that the pre-eminent Cannes film festival is just starting. Fewer however will be aware that the "Pentagon Strike" Flash animation is being shown at this year's festival. While we are not paranoid per se, we couldn't help but feel it was a little strange that the DOD would release their videos on the very day that our team set off to Cannes to promote the &lt;a href="http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk" target="_blank"&gt;Pentagon strike flash&lt;/a&gt;. If we were "paranoid", we might say that the release of these videos is an attempt at pre-emptive damage control over potential exposure at Cannes. Of course, it will also simply help to raise the profile of all things 'Pentagonian', which can only help our team in Cannes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;A word on the response from alternative new pundits and 9/11 researchers about the new videos: Most appear to agree that there is nothing new in the videos that in any way discredits the sound allegations that a Boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon. A few notable editorialists however are attempting to revive the dead horse that is the claim that the "no Boeing at the pentagon" theory is one big government-sponsored Psyops. The theory goes that government spooks are deliberately fuelling the "no Boeing" theories in an attempt to draw in as many researchers as possible - a honey trap for conspiracy theorists if you will - and then, when enough have been lured in, destroy their reputations by releasing a definitive video that shows clearly that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;While possible, in a remote sort of way, I seriously doubt that if the U.S. government has had access to a tape for four and a half years that could prove categorically that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that they would have put up with so much rabble rousing from the "fringe" rather than simply quashing their claims from the outset. The simple truth is that the U.S. government has NO recourse to any evidence that can disprove the claims of serious 9/11 researchers because no such evidence exists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Serious 9/11 researchers claim that a section of the U.S. government and military helped to orchestrate the 9/11 attacks, that the WTC towers were deliberately demolished, and that Flight 77 was very obviously not the plane that hit the Pentagon. The U.S government, and the agencies that are tasked with preserving its hold on power, have been actively running interference over the threat of exposure of the truth about 9/11 by the alternative media for the past four years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The decades-old tactic of the CIA's Counter Intelligence Programs where their agents infiltrate "movements" in an attempt to sow discord from within is a major part of this "running interference". It is noticeable therefore that the only area of discord among 9/11 "truth seekers" is the Pentagon attack and whether or not Flight 77 was involved. Let me put it bluntly: The success of government Psyops on 9/11 is measured not by how many people can be made to believe the "no Boeing at the Pentagon" claim but rather by how many 9/11 researchers can be convinced that the "no Boeing at the Pentagon" claim is a government Psyop and should be avoided.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The attack on the Pentagon is the real Achilles heel of the official 9/11 story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let me explain:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Even in the event that evidence for the obvious controlled demolition of the WTC towers were to be publicly revealed and accepted, the U.S government could plausibly claim that 'al-Qaeda' somehow managed to plant explosives in the buildings, that this evidence had somehow been overlooked due to "incompetence" in the 9/11 investigation. The incompetence angle could be used, as it has been already, as a plausible explanation for many other areas that would ordinarily point to government complicity. The Pentagon attack, however, is a very different matter. If it were ever to be publicly revealed that it was not Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, there is simply no way that the U.S government continue to claim that "al-Qaeda did it" or lie its way out of it, &lt;em&gt;because they would have to explain what happened to Flight 77 and its passengers&lt;/em&gt;. It is for this reason that the "no Boeing at the Pentagon" theory has been thoroughly attacked and maligned by government shills and many alleged 9/11 investigators.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Pentagon attack holds the key to the entire 9/11 mystery, it presents the best opportunity to blow the lid completely off the entire sordid deal and reveal the very, very disturbing reality of the nature of the U.S. government and that other Middle Eastern agency and the roles they both played in wantonly murdering almost 3,000 American citizens on September 11th 2001.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114790519616283636?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114790519616283636/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114790519616283636&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114790519616283636'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114790519616283636'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/05/new-pentagon-video-is-more-proof.html' title='New Pentagon Video is more proof Boeing Aircraft NOT Involved'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114739419297915332</id><published>2006-05-11T20:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-11T20:36:33.416-04:00</updated><title type='text'>High US Official: 911 was an Inside Job</title><content type='html'>Well!&lt;br /&gt;Golly gee!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anybody with even average intelligence who actually did a reasonably thorough analysis of the existing facts in this event would have come to this conclusion really quick. However, most people simply glued themselves to the TV screen or the newspapers and absorbed the hogwash coming at them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is becoming more obvious every day to me is that the 'Official Story' is becoming more and more difficult to maintain in the public arena. As this continues it is likely that some people who were actively involved in some parts of this Psy-Op slight of hand, which has been presented to the public as a 'terrorist attack' with all the trimmings, will begin to 'sing' so as to attempt to distance themselves from the VERY serious consequences which are probable for the perpetrators of this action.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The following, found on &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/chains/signs20060510_GovernmentGoneMad.php"&gt;Signs of the Times&lt;/a&gt; is a pronouncement from a fairly highly placed official that 911 was definitely an inside job.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ex-Bush Official Exposes 9/11 As Inside Job&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Monday, May 8th, 2006&lt;br /&gt;RINF&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis, showed that the defendants conspired to create a false cover story of suicide hijackings in order to "blow the World Trade Center to kingdom come" with explosives-a shock-and-awe psy-op designed to coerce the American people into supporting a pre-planned "long war" in the Middle East, massive increases in military spending, and the rollback of Constitutional civil liberties.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reynolds stated that everyone in the worldwide intelligence community knew that 9/11 was an inside job as soon as it happened, with the obvious stand-down of US air defenses, controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, and non-protection of the President in Florida being the biggest tip-offs. The head of the Russian equivalent of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the former head of the German intelligence service Andreas Von Bulow, former National Security Agency official Wayne Madsen, and former MI-6 agent David Schayler have all openly called 9/11 an inside job, while former CIA official Ray McGovern has confirmed this directly in private, and indirectly in public by way of his ringing endorsement of David Ray Griffin's work on 9/11.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reynolds, who served as George W. Bush's Labor Department Chief Economist in 2001-2002, believes that a 9/11 truth victory is looming on the near-term horizon. He predicted that one or more of the 9/11 insiders will soon "give it up" and come forward with what they know, saying "Remember, you heard it here first." He said that most of those complicit in the attacks did not realize how over-the-top the plot was, due to the need-to-know compartmentalization of such covert operations, and that some semi-complicit individuals will probably be coming forward. Reynolds said that most of his email acquaintances are now worried that the 9/11 truth movement is going to win, triggering the greatest Constitutional crisis in U.S. history. For Reynolds, this is less a cause for worry than for rejoicing: "We need a Constitutional crisis!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reynolds argued that 9/11 truth is a matter of extreme urgency, since the perpetrators seem to be preparing another 9/11-style terror hoax as a pretext for attacking Iran with nuclear weapons. He said that exposing the 9/11 fraud is the best way to stop Cheney's plan to stage an unprovoked nuclear attack on Iran, and the military draft and Pinochet-style prison camps and death squads for dissenters that might accompany it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reynolds urged the audience to help educate the American public about the 9/11 inside job. Personal contact with family and friends, the internet, alternative Media, and public events like this are all good educational strategies, he said, adding that a demonstration of 100,000 9/11 truth supporters at Ground Zero next year would be hard for the Media to ignore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Politicians and the Media will help expose the 9/11 inside job, he said, only after the growing grassroots movement reaches critical mass. The organizers of Reynolds' talk urged audience members to come to the upcoming international 9/11 truth conference in Chicago, 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future, June 2nd-4th, 2006: http://911revealingthetruth.org&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="StoryComment"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Comment:&lt;/strong&gt; To all those that dismiss the idea of an inside job on 9/11, ask yourself this: do you know more about the workings of the US government and what it would and would not do than a former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, try and find this story in the mainstream news via a google news search for example.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114739419297915332?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114739419297915332/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114739419297915332&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114739419297915332'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114739419297915332'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/05/high-us-official-911-was-inside-job.html' title='High US Official: 911 was an Inside Job'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114652204238808124</id><published>2006-05-01T18:13:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-05-01T18:20:42.976-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Godlikeproductions is Psy-Ops</title><content type='html'>I found this revealing expose at "Anti CoIntelPro and Disinformation" at the url: &lt;a href="http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com/"&gt;http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As some of us are beginning to be aware, there is a HUGE amount of this Cointelpro on the internet. The problem for the majority of people is in being able to discern which is indeed Cointelpro and where they may find something at least attempting to speak truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Godlikeproductions is Psy-Ops&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This report was apparently written in 2004. Godlikeproductions has since "changed hands." That is, the owners/operators apparently responded to the publication of this information by "going undercover." Some of the links may have been scrubbed. But, at the time we obtained this, all of the links were valid and all of the information is accurate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Remember the "&lt;a href="file:///D:/My%20Documents/Aussie_Bloke.htm"&gt;Aussie Bloke hoax"&lt;/a&gt; that was running wild in the Spring of 2004? It all began on godlikeproductions. And so, we decided to take a closer look. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The first thing we found was that the &lt;a href="http://www.whois.net/" target="_blank"&gt;Whois&lt;/a&gt; information regarding godlikeproductions.com is as follows: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Registrant: Belisha, Elaine (GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS-DOM)&lt;br /&gt;Godlike Productions&lt;br /&gt;P.O. Box 725 West Point, GA 31833 US&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The domain was registered on July 25, 2000.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nothing is terribly interesting about that, now is there? But we continued to search. We find Elaine on a google search, &lt;a href="http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:VuEHT8KyM28J:www.ufoinfo.com/filer/1998/ff_%203798.html+%22Elaine+Belisha%22&amp;hl=en" target="_blank"&gt;FILER'S FILES&lt;/a&gt;, cached, since the page is no longer available:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;NORCROSS: Elaine Belisha reports her 14 year old daughter, Marilyn Chen, saw a translucent, boomerang-shaped aircraft on Sunday, Sept. 13, 1998 at 8:00 PM. "I asked her to draw a picture, thinking it might be a stealth bomber, but it has a much larger wingspan relative to the size than a stealth." The UFO appeared and disappeared almost magically even though it was at close range at dusk. Thanks to E. Belisha, 2019 Lia Hills Drive Norcross, GA.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;We then find Elaine &lt;a href="http://webdesign.ittoolbox.com/groups/groups.asp?v=crm-select&amp;amp;i=82122" target="_blank"&gt;HERE:&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;RE: segmentation &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Posted By Elaine Belisha On Thursday, April 04, 2002 at 9:48 PM&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;CRM is not a subset of e-commerce, but of business. One of the most valuable questions I was ever asked was, "How does this help me run my business?" CRM is segmented and complex due to proprietary legacy data, for one. Whether the software includes micro-managing your sales force or data mining for marketing targets, it's all about streamlining profits. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Elaine Belisha&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;We find Elaine&lt;a href="http://windows.ittoolbox.com/groups/groups.asp?v=ASP-L&amp;i=72041" target="_blank"&gt; HERE:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RE: help please....crystal reports and asp&lt;br /&gt;Posted By Elaine Belisha On Saturday, March 02, 2002 at 1:42 PM&lt;br /&gt;Crystal Reports are tricky to load. I made mine in visual interdev and they work. I have the source code at the office though. I don't have it on my home computer (or interdev). It involves creating two active-x server objects: 1) a report object that points to the report, and 2) a viewer object that points to the report object. I'll post the code monday, if you can wait that long.&lt;br /&gt;E. Belisha&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and &lt;a href="http://emergingtech.ittoolbox.com/groups/groups.asp?v=asp-l&amp;amp;i=60929" target="_blank"&gt;HERE:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RE: APACHE &amp; ASP configure ?&lt;br /&gt;Posted By Elaine Belisha On Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 9:13 AM&lt;br /&gt;Chilisoft is what I use on my Apache. http://www.chilisoft.com/ I didn't do the install but it works well.&lt;br /&gt;E. Belisha&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are other computer tech discussion entries under Elaine's name, all of which suggest that Elaine is a very computer savvy lady.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, we find Elaine on Kent Steadman's &lt;a href="http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/timeshift.htm" target="_blank"&gt;CyberSpaceOrbit&lt;/a&gt; and on &lt;a href="http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=47575" target="_blank"&gt;RumorMills&lt;/a&gt; in a very unflattering light:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;GODLIKE ATTACKS ME, RMN AND THE OLD MARINE WIFE&lt;br /&gt;Posted By: Rayelan Date: Sunday, 18 April 2004, 5:05 p.m.&lt;br /&gt;[...]&lt;br /&gt;I wonder how many people have actually met Oswald LeWinter??? He's the poster on Godlike who started all of this... of course he doens't even use his real name... he hides behind 100s of aliases... it must be real fun for him to do this. I wonder how many people realize they have fallen for disinformation coming from an old CIA/Mossad opertive... one of the best... so you shouldn't kick yourself too hard if you swallowed his crap line hook line and sinker!&lt;br /&gt;but again... let's look at the person they assigned to "take down" Rayelan and Rumor Mill News... the sent the best!&lt;br /&gt;Having been married to the #3 man in the CIA... I still have a few strings I can pull to get information. I called one of these "strings" to inquire about whose payroll Oswald is on. I was told that he is hated by today's CIA and if he ever comes back to this country he will end up in prison or worse. I was told that he is on the Mossad payroll. ON THE MOSSAD PAYROLL!! WOW!!!! THAT IN ITSELF IS AN EYE-OPENER -- Think about it... THE MOSSAD IS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN RMN. Why??? Are we getting too close to their involvement in 9.11 - OKC -- Waco -- and their blackmail of George W. Bush... with the threat of biological or nuclear attack on a US city! (article being written on this) &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Even if the above impassioned rant is a bit incoherent, the reference to MOSSAD will become more interesting as we go along.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;All in all, the pickings on Elaine Belisha were pretty slim! I was beginning to think that the woman didn't even exist before the UFO report on September 13, 1998. However, we are resourceful if nothing else. We found Elaine here: &lt;a href="http://members.aol.com/nymush2/guest.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Guestbook of Michelle Guerin &lt;/a&gt;where she filled in the form with the following information: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Email:Elaine Belisha&lt;br /&gt;Web Page:www.hifiexchange.com&lt;br /&gt;How I found your page: mail&lt;br /&gt;Comments about the web site: Great page, Michelle! LOVE it &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;What can we deduce from this tiny bit of information? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, first of all we note that Elaine must be a friend of Michelle Guerin because she says she was informed about the creation of the page, probably by Michelle herself. Her personal comment also seems to confirm this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;But what is even more interesting is that Elaine gives a website address: hifiexchange.com &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;A &lt;a href="http://www.whois.net/" target="_blank"&gt;whois&lt;/a&gt; search on hifiexchange.com gives the following result:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Registrant: Keyword Traffic&lt;br /&gt;PMB # 483&lt;br /&gt;1733 H Street, Suite 330 Blaine, WA 98230-5106 US&lt;br /&gt;800 633 8435x05&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The domain was registered on July 31, 2003. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;When we try to go to hifiexchange.com, we are &lt;a href="http://hifiexchange.com/g.php?C=27991&amp;amp;D=119217&amp;domain=hifiexchange.com&amp;amp;K=Home+Theater+Speakers&amp;V=5168"&gt;redirected &lt;/a&gt;to a sort of "auction" page which tells us that we arrived at that page because "You searched the web for Home Theater Speakers." &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, we didn't exactly do that. So we decided to search google for "home theater speakers." For at least the first four pages of search returns, there was no appearance of "hifiexchange.com." &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;BUT, we notice a little image in the upper corner of a funny little blue guy and the word "TopDotz" (tm)&lt;br /&gt;We search for &lt;a href="http://www.whois.net/" target="_blank"&gt;whois&lt;/a&gt; on topdotz and find:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Registrant: Keyword Traffic&lt;br /&gt;PMB # 483&lt;br /&gt;1733 H Street, Suite 330 Blaine, WA 98230-5106 US&lt;br /&gt;800 633 8435x05&lt;br /&gt;Domain Name: TOPDOTZ.COM&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The domain was registered on September 22, 2000.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to mention, at this point, that there are no names of real people on the "Keyword Traffic" domain registrations.&lt;br /&gt;Nevertheless, we visit &lt;a href="http://topdotz.com/dtz4.php?C=3945&amp;amp;D=42170&amp;domain=topdotz.com" target="_blank"&gt;topdotz.com &lt;/a&gt;and discover that it is a search engine displaying a logo that says: DotzUp!&lt;br /&gt;Well, by now, we can't resist and we go and search &lt;a href="http://www.whois.net/" target="_blank"&gt;whois&lt;/a&gt; for dotzup.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Domain Name: DOTZUP.COM&lt;br /&gt;Administrative Contact: Master, Web dotz@icehouse.net&lt;br /&gt;4235 S. Cheney-Spokane Rd STE 10 Spokane, WA 99224-9661 US&lt;br /&gt;1 509 443 1948 &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The domain was registered on August 11, 2000&lt;br /&gt;Again, there are no names.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, we want to know if there is any connection between the new owners of hifiexchange.com and Elaine Belisha and we proceed. Leaving DotzUp, we go back and continue searching for "hifiexchange.com" we find a curious website that says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://members.aol.com/domto1/infopack.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Here is the INFOPAK....&lt;/a&gt; NOTE: The compilation of this infopak is due in large part to the efforts of many others, far too many to mention here, with the exception of Wizdomme, SteelBtrfl, and DsSiteMstr to whom is owed many thanks for their efforts on behalf of the BDSM community. A request can be sent to SteelBtrfl to be placed on her mailing list.&lt;br /&gt;Here the reader will find the milieu in which Elaine Belisha seems to live and thrive. The website has such entertaining sections as:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SUPPORT GROUPS FOR:&lt;br /&gt;Submissives [...]&lt;br /&gt;Dominants [...]&lt;br /&gt;Switches &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A LustSlave's Page&lt;br /&gt;Sublime: Slavery, Sluts, Submission &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Leather on Q&lt;br /&gt;Boston Dungeon Society&lt;br /&gt;Bound For Pleasure BBS&lt;br /&gt;Tantric Sexuality: &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Gorean Pleasure Slave&lt;br /&gt;Silk &amp;amp; Steel SLAVEPENS&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About half way down, we find Elaine Belisha's personal website - hifiexchange.com - listed as "INDIVIDUAL WEBSITES" of those who are associated with this group of extremely strange individuals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okaaaaaaayyyy....&lt;br /&gt;This is getting interesting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, we wondered if Elaine's old website - now owned by Network Traffic - was in the web archive. Sure enough! The old &lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/19971009100700/http:/www.hifiexchange.com/elaines.htm" target="_blank"&gt;hifiexchange.com&lt;/a&gt;! On this interesting page we read the following:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Welcome! My job titles include MOM, Goddess, alien abductee and Webmaster. Unfortunately, I don't get paid for doing any of these things. I have an admirable collection of unpublished science fiction novels, with rejection slips included. I am fond of bad puns and dirty jokes. I love receiving e-mail on any subject, especially alien abduction experiences (and skeptics &amp; debunkers are welcome, too). I am especially interested in the Philadelphia Experiment and the Montauk Project. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The next items are about her children one of whom we already met in the UFO sighting report:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is my oldest daughter, Marilyn. She's primarily interested in the internet, and spends hours on it daily. She loves role playing games and something called Magic, The Gathering. She's fourteen years old. At school she is in the gifted program but she always gets confused about "push" or "pull" signs when opening doors. Visit marilyn's Web page....oooooo scary....Marilyn's Darkness For some cool poetry by Allen, Marilyn's bud, Visit Allen's Page of Various Useless Stuff&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that the above was written about the time of the UFO sighting if her daughter was 14 at the time of writing. Elaine has another daughter about whom she writes:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is my youngest daughter, Sara. She is fond of dominating cats into submission. She loves them and pets them and squeezes them to death. Her goldfish committed suicide by leaping out of the aquarium into a cup of coffee. She's really not sadistic, just er... eccentric.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Charming family, eh? Elaine's a veritable June Cleaver, now isn't she? B &amp;amp; D being passed on to the children...&lt;br /&gt;Well, it gets better. We find oldest daughter Marilyn keeps an &lt;a href="http://www.livejournal.com/~spidergin/" target="_blank"&gt;online journal&lt;/a&gt; with such beguilingly innocent entries as:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You seek Magick! First of All I LOVE alien SEX FIEND!&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I havnt been fucked like that since grade school.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you check her &lt;a href="http://www.marilynchen.com/main.htm" target="_blank"&gt;model portfolio&lt;/a&gt;, you will find cute bondage photos. Wonder where she learned all that?&lt;br /&gt;If you check her links page, you will find that she links to mama's site: godlikeproductions, among others listed as "friends."&lt;br /&gt;Then, if you search google groups for "ebelisha" you will find a few posts on the newsgroups from daughter Marilyn:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From: ~Marilyn (ebelisha@mindspring.com)&lt;br /&gt;Subject: Re: New Satanic Site!!!!&lt;br /&gt;Newsgroups: alt.satanism, alt.individualism, talk.religion.misc, alt.atheist, alt.magick&lt;br /&gt;Date: 1997/08/13 "!"&lt;br /&gt;Check out ~Marilyn's Darkness~ http://angelfire.com/ga/Marillyn/index.html&lt;br /&gt;Tis a great page! Meet satan, and Dark poetry! Also,theres a poem of the week contest. ~Marilyn&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously, Marilyn was only 13 years old when she was posting the above on the 13th day of August - which fact obviously entertained her as we can see by virtue of the exclamation point put next to the date. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One can also find "ebelisha" at the godlikeproductions FAQ which says:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moderators help keep Godlike Productions ufpdated with the most current news. If you have a question about being a moderator, you should direct it to ebelisha@godlikeproductions.com.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Getting back to hifiexchange.com - the one listed by Elaine Belisha as her home page - we finally find it &lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/19971009100349/www.hifiexchange.com/index.htm" target="_blank"&gt;HERE &lt;/a&gt;in the web archive. The address is given as: 5926 BUFORD HIGHWAY, ATLANTA, GEORGIA&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay. What to do next? Well, check the &lt;a href="http://www.ganet.org/services/corp/corpsearch.shtml" target="_blank"&gt;Georgia corporation listings&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Under the business name: HIFI Exchange we find:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;HIFI EXCHANGE, INC. A DOMESTIC PROFIT COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 5926 BUFORD HWY NORCROSS , GA 300712405&lt;br /&gt;CEO: HAIM BELISHA&lt;br /&gt;CFO: HAIM BELISHA&lt;br /&gt;SEC: HAIM BELISHA&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp; OFFICE: JEFFREY ALAN BASHUK&lt;br /&gt;990 HAMMOND DR. STE. 990 ATLANTA , GA 30328&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 03/10/1999 Dissolution 11/09/2002&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, it looks like the Belisha's sold their business and their domain name to the Network Traffic folks. Remember that Keyword Traffic only registered the domain name on July 31, 2003. No big deal, right? Well, perhaps, or perhaps not.&lt;br /&gt;As it happend, Haim Belisha popped up on a second run at the Georgia Corporation site:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AUDIO CREATIONS, INC. A DOMESTIC PROFIT COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: #176, 9700 MEDLOCK BRIDG RD DULTUH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;CEO: HAIM BELISHA&lt;br /&gt;CFO:&lt;br /&gt;SEC:&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp;amp; OFFICE: JEFFREY BASHUK #990, 990 HAMMOND DRIVE ATLANTA , GA 30328&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 05/09/2001 05/18/2002&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Note here: We find Jeffrey Bashuk or Jeffrey Alan Bashuk as registered agent for over 50 different corporations on the &lt;a href="http://www.ganet.org/services/corp/corpsearch.shtml"&gt;Georgia Secretary of State site&lt;/a&gt; ranging from THE DECATUR CHURCH OF RELIGIOUS SCIENCE, INC. to NORTHLAKE ALLIANCE OF GAYS/LESBIANS &amp; STRAIGHTS, INC. The obvious reason for this is that Mr. Bashuk must be in the business of acting as a Registered Agent. This, however, may be more interesting than we initially suppose.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving along: another interesting item that popped up was that when doing the domain search on hifiexchange.com another similar domain popped up: HOMEHIFIEXCHANGE.COM So naturally, we decided to just take a peek. It was a bit of a surprise to discover that this company was also domiciled in ATLANTA, GA! Well, who'da thunk it? What a coincidence! Here is the &lt;a href="http://www.whois.net/" target="_blank"&gt;whois &lt;/a&gt;data:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Organization:, ExchangeBlvd.com, LLC,&lt;br /&gt;Brad Lloyd, 6205 Barfield Rd., Suite 125, Atlanta, GA 30328,&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration August 18, 1999&lt;br /&gt;Is there anything interesting about this "ExchangeBlvd.com, LLC?"&lt;br /&gt;Doing a &lt;a href="http://www.ganet.org/services/corp/corpsearch.shtml" target="_blank"&gt;Georgia corporation search&lt;/a&gt; on the company, we find:&lt;br /&gt;EXCHANGEBLVD.COM, LLC A GEORGIA LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 DULUTH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;CEO:&lt;br /&gt;CFO:&lt;br /&gt;SEC:&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp;amp; OFFICE: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 DULUTH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 11/03/1999 &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are no officers listed, but we do note the registered agent: Larry Tedesco. We note that the contact listed on the domain registration is a Brad Lloyd. So, while we are on the Georgia Corporation website, we do a search for Brad Lloyd, finding:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;THE CAMERA EXCHANGE, LLC A GEORGIA LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 861 HOLCOMB BRIDGE RD STE 101 ROSWELL , GA 300761900&lt;br /&gt;CEO:&lt;br /&gt;CFO:&lt;br /&gt;SEC:&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp; OFFICE: BRAD LLOYD 861 HOLCOMB BRIDGE RD.,STE.101 ROSWELL , GA 30076&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 03/08/1999 and dissolved on 11/09/2002&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;INSTRUMENT EXCHANGE, LLC A GEORGIA LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 861 HOLCOMB BRIDGE RD STE 101 ROSWELL , GA 300761900&lt;br /&gt;CEO:&lt;br /&gt;CFO:&lt;br /&gt;SEC:&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp;amp; OFFICE: BRAD LLOYD 861 HOLCOMB BRIDGE RD.,STE.101 ROSWELL , GA 30076&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 03/08/1999 and dissolved or revoked on 11/09/2002&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again we notice that there are no officers listed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay. What next? A corporation search on Larry Tedesco which brings up:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;INSTRUMENTEXCHANGE.COM, INC. A DOMESTIC PROFIT COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 DULUTH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;CEO: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;CFO: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;SEC: STEVE SCHECHTER&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp; OFFICE: LARRY TEDESCO 6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 DULUTH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 03/10/2004 and still active as of 06/14/2003&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PHOTOGRAPHYEXCHANGE.COM, INC. A DOMESTIC PROFIT COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 DULUTH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;CEO: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;CFO: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;SEC: STEVE SCHECHTER&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp;amp; OFFICE: LARRY TEDESCO 6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 DULUTH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 06/14/2003 , still active as of 03/10/2004 &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GOLFCLUBEXCHANGE.COM, INC. A DOMESTIC PROFIT COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 DULUTH , GA 30097&lt;br /&gt;CEO: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;CFO: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;SEC: STEVE SCHECHTER&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp; OFFICE: LARRY TEDESCO 6470 EAST JOHNS CROSSING ST390 ATLANTA , GA 30328&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 06/14/2003 and still active as of 03/10/2004 &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TEDESCO, INC. A DOMESTIC PROFIT COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 1034 BROOKWOOD DR AUGUSTA , GA 309092304&lt;br /&gt;CEO: LARRY TEDESCO&lt;br /&gt;CFO: SEC: DAVID L SPENCER&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp;amp; OFFICE: LARRY TEDESCO 1034 BROOK WOOD DRIVE AUGUSTA , GA 30909&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 03/06/1997 Dissolved or revoked: 07/05/1999&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GEORGIA GOLF ENTERPRISES, LLC A GEORGIA LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY&lt;br /&gt;ADDRESS: 2105 WOOD FALLS DR. CUMMING , GA 30041&lt;br /&gt;CEO:&lt;br /&gt;CFO:&lt;br /&gt;SEC:&lt;br /&gt;REGISTERED AGENT &amp;amp; OFFICE: LARRY TEDESCO 2105 WOOD FALLS DR. CUMMING , GA 30041&lt;br /&gt;Date of last annual registration 01/21/2004&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr. Tedesco is almost as busy as Jeffrey Bashuk. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The next item that popped up was an article about Larry Tedesco in the &lt;a href="http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2002/04/29/story6.html" target="_blank"&gt;Atlanta Business Chronicle&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;EXCLUSIVE REPORTS From the April 26, 2002 print edition&lt;br /&gt;Auction site bidding on expansion &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;by Mary Jane Credeur Staff Writer&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The organizers behind ExchangeBlvd.com Inc., which operates an online golf club auction site, are hoping to duplicate their specialty auction concept for musical instruments and photography equipment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Atlanta-based ExchangeBlvd.com recently raised another $1.5 million round from previous investors to cover the cost of launching InstrumentExchange.com and, later this year, PhotographyExchange.com.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We want to be a specialty shop for equipment that you can't find in just any old run-of-the-mill store," said &lt;strong&gt;CEO Larry Tedesco.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The 6-year-old company has brought in roughly $4 million in investments&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; over its lifetime, much of which came from &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Arkansas investment bank Stephens Inc.,&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; which is owned by the family of PGA legend and former Augusta National Chairman Jack Stephens.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With sales last year topping $9 million, Tedesco believes it's time to expand the profitable auction site to include other high-end goods. ExchangeBlvd.com expects to pull in revenues of $2.5 million on projected sales of $15 million this year, Tedesco said. [...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since the site went live six years ago with only a few dozen users, the company has attracted 200,000 regular users and has gained the backing of the PGA of America and Golf Magazine. The company also began publishing a "blue book" reference guide of used golf club values based on the nearly 100,000 golf equipment transactions it handles each year.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We finally find Larry together with Brad on a &lt;a href="http://uk.us.biz.yahoo.com/ic/116/116747.html" target="_blank"&gt;yahoo biz site:&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Exchange Blvd, Inc&lt;br /&gt;Company Profile&lt;br /&gt;Exchange Blvd provides item-specific online auction marketplaces. Sites include GolfClubExchange.com and InstrumentExchange.com (musical instruments).&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coming back to Haim Belisha, undoubtedly the husband of Elaine Belisha, another curious item popped up:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWbelisha.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Leslie Hore-Belisha &lt;/a&gt;was born in Devonport in 1893. Educated at Clifton College and Oxford University he served as a major in the British Army during the First World War. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hore-Belisha, a member of the Liberal Party, worked as a journalist and lawyer before entering the House of Commons for Devonport in 1923. [...] &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1937 Neville Chamberlain appointed Hore-Belisha as Secretary of State for War. This was a controversial decision as the former holder of the post, Alfred Duff Cooper, was popular with the British armed forces. [...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hore-Belisha upset the Army Council by replacing three senior members with younger and more flexible men. He also upset Neville Chamberlain by &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;suggesting the introduction of military conscription during his negotiations with Adolf Hitler in 1938. His attempts to persuade Chamberlain to rapidly increase spending on the armed forces was also unsuccessful.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the House of Commons the Conservative Party MP Archibald Ramsay was the main critic of having Jews in the government. In 1938 he began a campaign to have Hore-Belisha sacked as Secretary of War. In one speech on 27th April he &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;warned that Hore-Belisha "will lead us to war with our blood-brothers of the Nordic race in order to make way for a Bolshevised Europe.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;" [...] &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Neville Chamberlain eventually decided to remove Hore-Belisha as Secretary of State for War and appoint him as Minister of Information. Lord Halifax objected, claiming that it was "inappropriate to have a Jew in charge of publicity." In January 1940 Hore-Belisha was sacked as Secretary of State for War.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1945 Winston Churchill appointed Hore-Belisha as Minister of National Insurance. However, he lost office when the Labour Party won the 1945 General Election. Leslie Hore-Belisha, who lost his seat in the election, died in 1957. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One wonders, of course, if the above Leslie Hore-Belisha was related in any way to Haim Belisha? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;In any event, getting back to Elaine's friend, Michelle Guerin we find that on her website, she has posted a story about her life as a "&lt;a href="http://members.aol.com/nymush2/rep.html" target="_blank"&gt;Montaukee&lt;/a&gt;." We also find an article written by Michelle on the subject of &lt;a href="http://educate-yourself.org/ab/alienhumanhybrids03oct03.shtml" target="_blank"&gt;Alien/Human Hybrids&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also find that Elaine has written a comment to an article posted on &lt;a href="http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/timeshift.htm"&gt;Kent Steadman's site&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6/19/2002 6:00 PM&lt;br /&gt;Re: SLEUTH ALERT: Worldwide Periodical Time Shift?&lt;br /&gt;So all we have to go on are a number of mechanical watches (which DO and SHOULD lose time, because no watch is perfect). How did you know these watches measured time accurately before this magical date? A decent way you can measure the rate of watches losing time is to record the difference of your standard time reference (STR to save me typing) to your time. If the difference between your watches over a few days, and the STR increases then either there is something going on with time or your watch is deteriorating. If the difference between these watches and the STR is relatively constant over time, everything should be normal. And the sun moving? You should consider errors made in your measuring and the dodginess of the astro-software you use -- and donÂ´t forget the fact that the sun naturally changes its path across the sky across seasons. HTH.&lt;br /&gt;Elaine Belisha&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and here, in response to an &lt;a href="http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/fuccanelli.htm"&gt;article about Fulcanelli&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6/2/127 1:30 AM&lt;br /&gt;Re: FucanelliÂ´s Doom: Judgement Day: The Trial by Fire on 9/22/2002&lt;br /&gt;It is amusing how the "white" man valued the beliefs of my people so little until now, when they realize thier f#@$ed,they run to us for the answer.The fact is,these "people" are an infection,a disease, perhaps like a cancer, eating away at the natural order of things.Be careful what you think, if you believe it,it will happen, withen your own frame of reference.That is to say, you are creating your own reality and your reality sucks.Stop&lt;br /&gt;Elaine Belisha&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We notice that both ladies like Kent Steadman and both ladies are into Montauk and alien abductions. So, we have a look at Kent Steadman just for the heck of it:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Registrant: Kent Steadman (CYBERSPACEORBIT2-DOM)&lt;br /&gt;425 South 156th Street, #119A Seattle, WA 98148 US&lt;br /&gt;Domain Name: CYBERSPACEORBIT.COM&lt;br /&gt;Record created on 01-Sep-1999. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This jogs our memory and we recall that Network Traffic which now owns hifiexchange.com is also in Washington state.&lt;br /&gt;Probably a coincidence. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then there is that strange coincidence where homehifiexchange.com suddenly came to be in Atlanta, where the OLD hifiexchange used to be... while the old hifiexchange went off to Washington State and we see some strange little threads hanging out here and there just waiting to be pulled.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I went back to Network Traffic which has the nifty little trademarked icon... and searched the US Trademark site.&lt;br /&gt;Nothing.&lt;br /&gt;No corporation filings in Washington State either.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whoever they are, these folks are invisible.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remember Larry Tedesco and homehifiexchange.com about which company we are told:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 6-year-old company has brought in roughly $4 million in investments over its lifetime, much of which came from Arkansas investment bank Stephens Inc., which is owned by the family of PGA legend and former Augusta National Chairman Jack Stephens.&lt;br /&gt;With sales last year topping $9 million, Tedesco believes it's time to expand the profitable auction site to include other high-end goods. ExchangeBlvd.com expects to pull in revenues of $2.5 million on projected sales of $15 million this year, Tedesco said. [...]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Since the site went live six years ago with only a few dozen users&lt;/strong&gt;, the company has attracted 200,000 regular users and has gained the backing of the PGA of America and Golf Magazine. The company also began publishing a "blue book" reference guide of used golf club values based on the nearly 100,000 golf equipment transactions it handles each year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now remember that when we searched the domain registration of hifiexchange, we found that the domain was registered by Keyword Traffic on July 31, 2003. So if it was a 6 year old company in 2002, then that means that Haim Belisha is either closely involved, or acted as a front since he and Elaine Belisha owned hifiexchange prior to that time. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just to get a handle on who these people are, go &lt;a href="http://www.questionsquestions.net/bushladen/profiles/bcci2.html" target="_blank"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; and read carefully. Among other things you will find:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1979 Mochtar Riady and Stephens Inc set up Stephens Finance Ltd. In Hong Kong. Lance is &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;indicted on charges of violating federal banking laws.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Clifford's partner, Robert Altman, represents Lance who eventually achieves a hung jury. During this same period, Stephens is, according to Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin in "False Profits," playing "&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;a crucial role in BCCI's penetration of the US market.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;" &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1984 Mochtar Riady buys a stake in the Worthen holding company whose assets include the &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Stephens-controlled Worthen Bank.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Price: $16 million. Other Worthen &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;co-owners will eventually include BCCI investor Abdullah Taha Bakhish.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Deal handled by C. Joseph Giroir II. Giroir is the Rose law firm chair who hired &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hillary Clinton.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Giroir will continue to be a deal-maker for the Riadys. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1985 Arkansas state pension funds -- deposited in Worthen by &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Governor Bill Clinton &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;-- suddenly lose 15% of their value because of the failure of high risk, short-term investments and the brokerage firm that bought them. The $52 million loss is covered by a Worthen check written by Jack Stephens in the middle of the night, an insurance policy, and the subsequent purchase over the next few months of 40% of the bank by Mochtar Riady. &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Clinton and Worthen escape a major scandal.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Mochtar's son James comes back to Arkansas to manage Worthen as president. Worthen is investigated by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency for improper loans to companies owned by the Riadys and Stephenses. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1986 &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;George W. Bush and partners&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; receive more than $2 million of Harken Energy stock in exchange for a failing oil well operation, which has lost $400,000 in the prior six months. After &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Bush joins Harken&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, the largest stock position and a seat on its board is acquired by Harvard Management Company. &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Harken board gives Bush $600,000 worth of the company's publicly traded stock, plus a seat on the board plus a consultancy that pays him up to $120,000 a year. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;When Harken runs short of cash it hooks up with Jackson Stephens, who arranges a $25 million stock purchase by Union Bank of Switzerland. &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sheik Abdullah Bakhsh, who joins the board as a part of the deal, is connected to BCCI. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1988 Stephens' wife Mary Ann runs George Bush's campaign in Arkansas. He is a member of Team 100 -- individuals who have given $100,000 to the Republican party.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"&gt;A few days before the supposedly surprise arrest of five BCCI officials, some of the world's most powerful drug dealers quietly withdraw millions of dollars from the bank. Some government investigators believe the dealers were tipped off by sources within the Reagan administration.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; [...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1991 Stephens Inc gives $100,000 to a Bush dinner committee.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; With Stephens, Mochtar Riady buys BCCI's former Hong Kong subsidiary from its liquidators. A former top aide to White House Chief of Staff &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;John Sununu goes to work for a prominent figure in the BCCI scandal less than a month after leaving the Bush administration.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Edward Rogers Jr. signs a $600,000 contract to give legal advice to &lt;span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sheik Kamal Adham, an ex-Saudi intelligence officer who is being investigated for his role in BCCI's takeover of First American Bankshares.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Miami acting US Attorney is reportedly rebuffed by the Justice Department in his efforts to indict BCCI and some of its principal officers on tax fraud charges. Justice Department later denies this occurred. [...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We wonder again, just who owns hifiexchange.com NOW? And geez, Elaine Belisha, founder of Godlikeproductions.com sure hangs out with interesting people, eh? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But let's go back to that funny remark Elaine Belisha made on Kent Steadman's site:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It is amusing how the "white" man valued the beliefs of my people so little until now, when they realize thier f#@$ed,they run to us for the answer."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This connects us back to Will Scott Anderson of the Aussie Bloke Hoax: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scott Anderson is the current spokesperson for a false group operating out of Deltona Florida using the name of Indian Creek Band of Chickamauga Cherokee. Anderson has in fact been known for the solicitation of donations from the public on behalf of a Convicted Sex Criminal who is a Registered Sex Offender in the State of Missouri, along with several other incidents of exploitation affecting American Indian People.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With all the sex-capades going on in the background of Elaine Belisha's life, put together with her remark that seems to indicate that she is claiming to be Native American, we can't help but make a connection here, however tenuous. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If all of this doesn't look like covert ops run by the Bush-MOSSAD Administration in cahoots with their Saudi pals, I don't know what does.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;In short: Godlikeproductions is Psy-Ops.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114652204238808124?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114652204238808124/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114652204238808124&amp;isPopup=true' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114652204238808124'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114652204238808124'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/05/godlikeproductions-is-psy-ops.html' title='Godlikeproductions is Psy-Ops'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114575870702546780</id><published>2006-04-22T22:08:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-04-22T22:18:34.433-04:00</updated><title type='text'>911 Truth Movement is being Sabotaged by Cointelpro</title><content type='html'>Sounds a little dramatic and even paranoid doesn't it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is more likely true than not, which is Very Scary to contemplate. The evidence appears to indicate to any reasonable person that it is true. The trouble is that many people are so fearful of considering what is really true they put in enormous efforts to rationalize away whatever the factual evidence points toward.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Following is an article by &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/"&gt;Laura Knight Jadczyk&lt;/a&gt; which put a lot of the peices together... at least I think this is so. What you decide is up to you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Destruction of the 911 Truth Movement&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lately, it sure looks like the whole Alternative News and 911 Truth movement is being subjected to the Ponerization process (being twisted to become an agent for Evil), so perhaps now would be a good time to take a look at how that process develops. First, a little background. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a current &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1093"&gt;discussion on our Forum&lt;/a&gt; that was begun by a certain Dimitris following the publication of an editorial about Jeff Rense. Dimitris declared, quite self-righteously, that publishing such an editorial identified us clearly as "agents of cointelpro." Here is the article that we published that aroused the ire of Dimitris:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;by Anders &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been looking at Rense's website for the last two years and gathered from Laura's research, that he most likely, whether consciously or not, is an asset of Cointelpro. The website gives the image of having no limits on what they will put up and yet there are some glaring omissions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of these omissions is in regards to birdflu. The site is like a birdflu central with daily updates on birdflu occurring all over the planet. There has NOT BEEN one article in respect to the likelihood that Birdflu is a HOAX.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ANOTHER omission is in regard to drastic climate changes, METEORS, the many recent meteor sightings and the many recent discoveries of impact crater from meteors around the world. The signs website has an excellent supplement on Meteors found here: &lt;a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm"&gt;http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The last omission that I will mention here is in regard to the Signs website and the pentagon Strike video, which considering the fact that 500+million people have seen it, SHOULD feature on Rense's lefthand column as a permanent feature and a permanent link to the Producers thereof, namely SOTT.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One can look at this from the point of view of what is of paramount importance for the PTB, and what they donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want the populace to see. If indeed it is true, that rense is an arm of COINTELPRO, then the important things are the things omitted from the site, some of which I mentioned above. It follows, that NOTHING that appears on Rense is important at all. It is only for keeping the population distracted!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Facts are:&lt;br /&gt;1) the US is spending as if there is no tomorrow and as though they will never ever have to pay the money back.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) The speed with which the US is implementing a world clamp down and a control on the populace is without parallel in modern history.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) There is hardly an attempt at disguising their fascist march for world domination as though they know, that they will not be held accountable ever.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4) There is a lack of exposure of the lies of the US from OTHER NATIONS, who have intelligence services with satellite surveillance and who surely knows what is going on.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5) The US is using Depleted Uranium in the Middle East and other places indiscriminantly, as though the consequences of radiation of vast areas (including Europe and the US) is of no concern.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talking to a friend about this, the question that was brought up was why don't they want the populace to ponder the possibility of cataclysmic earthchanges in the very near future, if they are happy to entertain the notion of perpetual war or economic megabust or whatever else is on Rense.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One answer that we came up with is this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the PTB have been given advance notice of an imminent comet strike (such as the cyclical comet strike with a cycle of 3600 years as mentioned by Laura), then it would be important for the PTB to vector the attention of the populace into all kinds of areas of no real importance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;WHY you might ask?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IF the populace knew that the world would be impacted by a massive cataclysm in say april year 2009 then&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) the populace would not be as easily controlled.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) They would probably reevaluate their life and maybe not go to work.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) The world economy would collapse, but in a NONLINEAR FASHION, in other words not when the PTB plans to pull it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4) The people, from journalist to military officials might not continue to compromise their souls (if they have one) for their masters in order to pay their mortgage/lifestyle unless they are also promised salvation in an underground bunker, which is doubtful.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The PTB including other world leaders (The C's mentions that the world government has been a reality for a long time) would have been promised a safe haven, most likely in some deep underground bunker or a rapture for the religious minded. This would explain why they go about things as though never to be held accountable.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Building of underground cities requires massive amounts of money, tunnel workers and industries related to the building thereof. A collapse before time of the world economy would severely hamper the effort of the PTB in creating a safe haven. If not, then maybe an angry and cheated population whose attention were not distracted on bogus terrorists and like things, would hamper the PTB. Donald Hunt mentions the issue of crowd control and possible riots in todays economic report here &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060403_SignsEconomicCommentary.php"&gt;http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060403_SignsEconomicCommentary.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dolan, as many others, mentions in a recent interview extensive tunneling going on in America. He mentions a quote from Rumsfeld of a black budget of 2.6 trillion dollars in 2001. The interview that I heard thanks to the Signs forum is found here: &lt;a href="http://www.keyholepublishing.com/"&gt;http://www.keyholepublishing.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whether the above answer is THE ANSWER or just part of the answer is open for pondering, but the fact is that certain things are omitted from Rense and that in itself raises obvious questions. I would, as mentioned above, seriously doubt that any of the things mentioned on Rense is of any real importance, other than seeing where the PTB wants our attention directed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it happens, there are a LOT of questions that ought to be asked about Jeff Rense and Co and most of them are outlined in said &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1093"&gt;forum discussion&lt;/a&gt;, so the reader might want to check it out for all the juicy details. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The thing is, something really creepy is going on right before our eyes and we need to sit up and pay attention here!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First of all, notice this piece by a web pundit that goes by the nom de plume "Sartre":&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://batr.org/autonomy/042006.html"&gt;A Fractured Conservative Movement &lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is nothing new about rugged individualists disagreeing. In some respects such divergence is quite normal and appropriate. Whether there is anything that can be remotely labeled a patriot movement, to begin with is certainly a valid area of discussion. But what happens when supposed like- minded world views clash to the extent that eating one's own becomes an obsession?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By consistently targeting many of the named anti-establishment publishers for ridicule and savage attacks, the Victor-Lisa show resembles a Saturday Night skit more than serious journalism. Earning an honorable mention in their list of the unfaithful does not slant this assessment. Sure paranoid sites like Fintan Dunne's "The CIA Internet Fakes" lumps BATR with WING-TV as government disinformation projects. A careful inspection of this list indicated that BATR is included with some good company. If the Dunne goal is to damage the credibility of such sites, why does WING-TV resort to the same kind of tactics - guilt by association?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Attacking Jeff Rense and Alex Jones because both refuse to deal with WING-TV is hardly a persuasive argument. The claims and charges of censorship have been a long standing disagreement with Ms. Guliani. What she sees as an obligation to have her viewpoint echoed on other sites, we view as a privilege to earn the trust of another publisher. What WING-TV has done by their consistent and comprehensive smear vendetta is to destroy it's own credibility as a truth teller. Such devices of desperation are reflected without the trace of rational self-control or cogent wisdom. Read closely Mr. Thorns angry outburst and judge for yourselves:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Message to a Eunuch (Sartre: BATR) by Victor Thorn &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;'For once in your lives, stand up and do something. If you're men, start acting like it. Your feeble articles are not only boring beyond words (i.e. Sartre), but they're weak in spirit, weak in delivery, with an emotional void that leaves the reader so filled with ennui that it's no wonder our country is in the mess it's in. If you were around during the American Revolution, our nation would have lost miserably because each and every one of you would have turned coat and ran back to England to suck on the King's tit.'&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This example typifies the conduct used against anyone who takes issue with the purity of vision that only exists in the mind of a self-proclaimed soaring eagle of the alternative media. BATR does not play this name game or sink to the level of crass verbiage. The publisher calls the shots and any editor worthy of the name is well within their right to exclude the rants of disinformation specialists. Likewise the reader is the sole arbitrator of who is worthy of their trust. Who is telling the absolute and definitive truth requires the honesty of the divine and surely none of us aspire to such lofty heights.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For this reason BREAKING ALL THE RULES has severed all relations with WING-TV. Regretfully this decision is based not only upon significant differences in strategy and tactics but mainly upon a profound loss of respect. It is the task of each individual to find the value in the work of any journalist or columnists. We urge you to recognize some of the factual contributions that have been published on WING-TV. However, Thoreau was right: 'If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.'&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All that sounds very reasonable, doesn't it? But the fact is, it is so doctrinaire and simplistic and does NOT take into account the very REAL problem of REAL CoIntelPro as well as deviant psychology, that it is effectively an action in favor of same! You know the old rule: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Well, let's paraphrase that: "The only thing necessary for the takeover of the 911 Truth Movement by Fascist agents of CoIntelPro is for the members of that movement to NOT expose such agents when and if they spot them, and for the movement as a whole to utilize the most careful hygiene in keeping itself clean of pathological elements." &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Take that to the bank.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are quite a number of people, besided Dimitris, who "deplore" the so-called "infighting" of the 911 truth movement. Among them is a woman named &lt;a href="http://www.judyandreas.com/"&gt;Judy Andreas.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, this Judy Andreas is a strange phenomenon. Judy sort of "appeared" on the scene out of nowhere. She was dating John Kaminski all the while she was making "advances" toward Stan Hess who ended up marrying her though the marriage only lasted for two weeks, as I understand.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you read some of the stuff on her site, linked above, and "read between the lines," you will perceive that she has made advances toward several people with internet radio shows/websites - generally those with well-known names. It's almost as though she is a sex bomb "working the circuit." From what several people who have interacted with her have told me, it seems to be her assignment to get these individuals she hooks up with to turn their 'thinking" around. Pretty clever feat for a sexy granny in her 60s, eh?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Andreas is a "regular columnist" on Rense, and we notice that Rense has dumped Kaminski... I guess because John was not manipulatable by Judy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, notice on her webpage that she reproduces a "fan letter" from someone that says:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"I'm overwhelmed...there on the counter sat the package. Couldn't wait to&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;open it --- love the format for easy reading. It is impressive to have John foreword it and Cindy Sheehan with Jeff Rense- terrific! I like the piece by Pamela Icke. I&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;shall keep the book by the computer and pick it up to read (&amp; savor) piece by&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;piece. I'll tell the universe to have a major publisher pick it up!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thankyou! Arhata "&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Aside from making the normal human being want to lose their cookies just reading it, what is interesting about this letter? Notice the reference to the inclusion of a piece by Pamela Icke.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.enlighteneddating.com/softbizDatingScript/view_product.php?id=21"&gt;http://www.enlighteneddating.com/softbizDatingScript/view_product.php?id=21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"Pamela Icke is the wife of one of the most popular regular guests on News&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;for the Soul -- David Icke -- and she too has quite the story to tell. And&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;find out about enlightened relationship from someone who is in one... Don't&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;miss this raveling hour of enlightening talk radio ..."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it happens, David Icke was recently assimilated by abovetopsecret.com as we have reported in previous posts here on the blog (see all of those relating to abovetopsecret.com and Project Serpo). Of course, since we reported it, it seems that there is some glitch... Icke doesn't seem to be coming forth with the goods. Oh well. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In any event, since we now have hard evidence that abovetopsecret.com is hooked up with Wayne Jaeschke and that they claim Morrison and Foerster as their legal reps, and Jaeschke has been implicated as participating in the creation of the "Project Serpo" hoax, (see previous posts here), this connection between Judy Andreas and the Icke people is highly suggestive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I seem to recall that Rense and Icke were good buddies at one point and then either drifted apart or had a falling out. Since we have learned that this is a typical tactic, maybe that "falling out" was just for public consumption because Judy Andreas sure must like Icke and Rense likes Judy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coming back to our problem, one of the forum members brought to our attention an interesting comment from Wing TV regarding a phone conversation with Sartre referred as "Mr. X" (identified in another link: &lt;a href="http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/2005awards.html"&gt;http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/2005awards.html&lt;/a&gt; (scroll down to #137)).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From: &lt;a href="http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/opm.html"&gt;http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/opm.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;OPM: Other People's Money &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;by Lisa Guliani&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Several months ago I received a phone call from a journalist who happens to be a regular columnist for Jeff Rense. I'll call him Mr."X". We were discussing the whole "patriot/truth/9-11 movement" and he wanted to give me some advice on how he thinks Victor and I should be "playing the game".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When he asked how we finance WING TV, I told him we work day jobs. His response to this was hearty laughter, followed by the comment, "Listen, your problem lies in the fact that you guys don't have a racket. You need to get a racket."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My reply: "We're not interested in getting a racket."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr. "X": "Haven't you ever heard of OPM?"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Me: "OPM? No. What is OPM?"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr. "X": OPM is an acronym for 'Other People's Money'. "X" then went on to tell me how much easier it would be to run WING TV if we'd simply get other people to foot the bills for doing what we're doing. According to "X," that's how anybody who is successful is doing it. That's how the "big boys" like Jones and Rense are doing it. After all, you don't see them working day jobs, do you? The reason they're successful is because they understand how to play the game. And the name of the game is OPM.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was pretty disgusted with this type of advice coming from someone who I'd presumed to be a person operating under honorable and ethical guidelines. I made it clear to "X" that we have no intention of playing their "OPM game". "X" said we're stupid if we don't do it because "everybody's doing it."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everybody's doing it? No, not everybody. There are people like Thorn and me in the alternative media who are not feeding off the OPM free cash cow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We ended the phone call, but this man's words have haunted me ever since.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Think about it. He's correct in saying that shysters atop the alternative media food chain are sucking money out of you like your pocket is a sieve, and that their shows and websites are breeding grounds to foment irrational fear and paranoia in the listening audience. And it works masterfully, because the most suggestible listeners dutifully pay up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You don't see the "big boys" like Jones and Rense out there working for a living, do you? No. They don't have to, because they've got you doing all the work --- then forking over your hard-earned money to them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Their websites are slick, polished, and highly suggestive that there is quite a bit of money behind them. So, where does the bulk of that money come from? It comes out of your pocket.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By buying their "end of the world" and "New Age" remedies, energized water, fake food (Ener-Food), toe fungus, British water filters, etc, you are enabling the OPM racket to flourish and thrive. You, the listener and consumer, are making it possible for these shysters to peddle their snake oil and propaganda on an ongoing basis. This makes it possible for the fear-mongers to sit back and watch the dollars roll in. With a scam like this, why should they go out and get a real job? The OPM racket is not a new one. We've all seen this before with unscrupulous televangelists. Peter Schaenk even compared these individuals to the huckster Elmer Ganty. You're their meal-ticket as long as you remain freaked out and sweating bullets. These men are fully capable of working (even part-time jobs) to pay their own bills. But y'see, they'd rather have you do that for them. That's why it's called a "racket".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In essence, you are paying them to bullshit you and feed you heavy doses of fear on a daily basis, and they hold themselves to be above questioning. The snake oil salesmen have no accountability because YOU don't hold them accountable. No wonder they're so smug.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nice little racket, huh?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, it looks like Guliani and Thorn have definitely smelled a rat and stirred up a hornet's nest. Join the club Lisa and Victor! I reckon we can safely say that we are the most attacked, defamed, criticized, and marginalized group of researchers going in the alternative media field today. This crap has been going on for about 14 years. It ramped up in summer of 2001, more or less in preparation for 911 (as we can see in retrospect), and I've spent a small fortune on medical bills to deal with the stress. That is one of the reasons we are in France. After our address was published on an ADL type site with the suggestion that somebody find us and "take care" of us, my children were threatened, two of them injured, one ended up in the hospital on life support and nearly died, our dog was poisoned, and well... leaving seemed to be the right thing to do. It was the only way we could continue to work. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But back to what I want to talk about today: As I mentioned above, it sure looks like the whole Alternative News and 911 Truth movement is being subjected to the Ponerization process, so perhaps now would be a good time to take a look at how that process develops by a lengthy but, oh so worth reading, quote from Andrzej Lobaczewski's book.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Lobaczewski wrote:&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;We shall give the name "ponerogenic association" to any group of people characterized by ponerogenic processes of above-average social intensity, wherein the carriers of various pathological factors function as inspirers, spellbinders, and leaders, and where a proper pathological social structure generates.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Smaller, less permanent associations may be called "groups" or "unions".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such an association gives birth to evil which hurts other people as well as its own members. We could list various names ascribed to such organizations by linguistic tradition: gangs, criminal mobs, mafias, cliques, and coteries, which cunningly avoid collision with the law while seeking to gain their own advantage. Such unions frequently aspire to political power in order to impose their expedient legislation upon societies in the name of a suitably prepared ideology, deriving advantages in the form of disproportionate prosperity and the satisfaction of their craving for power.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A description and classification of such associations with a view of their numbers, goals, officially promulgated ideologies, and internal organizations would of course be scientifically valuable. Such a description, effected by a perceptive observer, could help a ponerologist determine some of the properties of such unions, which cannot be determined by means of natural conceptual language.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A description of this kind, however, ought not to cloak the more factual phenomena and psychological dependencies operating within these unions. Failure to heed this warning can easily cause such a sociological description to indicate properties which are of secondary importance, or even made "for show" to impress the uninitiated, thereby overshadowing the actual phenomena which decide the quality, role, and fate of the union. Particularly if such a description is colorful literature, it can furnish merely illusory or ersatz knowledge, thus rendering a naturalistic perception and causative comprehension of phenomena more difficult.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One phenomenon all ponerogenic groups and associations have in common is the fact that their members lose (or have already lost) the capacity to perceive pathological individuals as such, interpreting their behavior in a fascinated, heroic, or melodramatic ways. The opinions, ideas, and judgments of people carrying various psychological deficits are endowed with an importance at least equal to that of outstanding individuals among normal people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The atrophy of natural critical faculties with respect to pathological individuals becomes an opening to their activities, and, at the same time, a criterion for recognizing the association in concern as ponerogenic. Let us call this the first criterion of ponerogenesis.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another phenomenon all ponerogenic associations have in common is their statistically high concentration of individuals with various psychological anomalies. Their qualitative composition is crucially important in the formation of the entire union's character, activities, development, or extinction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Groups dominated by various kinds of characteropathic individuals will develop relatively primitive activities, proving rather easy for a society of normal people to break. However, things are quite different when such unions are inspired by psychopathic individuals. [...]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two basic types of the above-mentioned unions should be differentiated: Primary ponerogenic and secondary ponerogenic. Let us describe as primarily ponerogenic a union whose abnormal members were active from the very beginning, playing the role of crystallizing catalysts as early as the process of creation of the group occurred. We shall call secondarily ponerogenic a union which was founded in the name of some idea with an independent social meaning, generally comprehensible within the categories of the natural world view, but which later succumbed to a certain moral degeneration. This in turn opened the door to infection and activation of the pathological factors within, and later to a ponerization of the group as a whole, or often of its fraction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the very outset, a primarily ponerogenic union is a foreign body within the organism of society, its character colliding with the moral values held or respected by the majority. The activities of such groups provoke opposition and disgust and are considered immoral; as a rule, therefore, such groups do not spread large, nor do they metastasize into numerous unions; they finally lose their battle with society.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is why such groups USE other groups to achieve their goals. They infiltrate, find weak individuals to target, begin the process of moral degeneration, etc. That is to say, just because a group operates under the banner of "communism" or "socialism" or "democracy" or "conservatism" or "republicanism", doesn't mean that, in practice, their functions are anything close to the original ideology. As we can see in the present day, the republican party (and the democrats as well, they are just pretending to be different) have been taken over by what amounts to Nazis. These Nazis use the ideology of the political parties to motivate large masses of people who still believe that the rulership of the party is aligned with the original ideology. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same is being done with alternative news and the 911 truth movement. It is being infiltrated and turned around because it is way too dangerous to the Nazis that have taken over the U.S. political scene under the guise of being republicans or democrats or neo-conservatives, or whatever names they have created to bamboozle the public.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Lobaczewski wrote:&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;In order to have a chance to develop into a large ponerogenic association, however, it suffices that some human organization, characterized by social or political goals and an ideology with some creative value, be accepted by a larger number of normal people before it succumbs to a process of ponerogenic malignancy. The primary tradition and ideological values of such a society may then, for a long time, protect a union which has succumbed to the ponerization process from the awareness of society, especially its less critical components.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the ponerogenic process touches such a human organization, which originally emerged and acted in the name of political or social goals, and whose causes were conditioned in history and the social situation, the original group's primary values will nourish and protect such a union, in spite of the fact that those primary values succumb to characteristic degeneration, the practical function becoming completely different from the primary one, because the names and symbols are retained.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is where the weaknesses of individual and social "common sense" are revealed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is why Sartre and Judy Andreas and others decrying the "name calling" in the 911 Truth Movement are either agents themselves or woefully naive and will never survive the nazification/ponerization of the movement. The so-called "commonsense" that they subscribe to is NO DEFENSE against psychological deviants! But such "commonsensical" sayings and motifs will be brought up and flung around with great abandon by agents seeking to put the more critical members of the public back to sleep.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Lobaczewski wrote:&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ponerogenic unions of the primary variety are mainly of interest to criminology; our main concern will be associations that succumb to a secondary process of poneric malignancy. First, however, let us sketch a few properties of such associations which have already surrendered to this process.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Within each ponerogenic union, a psychological structure is created which can be considered a counterpart or caricature of the normal structure of society or a normal societal organization. In a normal social organization, individuals with various psychological strengths and weaknesses complement each other's talents and characteristics. This structure is subjected to diachronic modification with regard to changes in the character of the association as whole. The same is true of a ponerogenic union. Individuals with various psychological aberrations also complement each other's talents and characteristics.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The earlier phase of a ponerogenic union's activity is usually dominated by characteropathic, particularly paranoid, individuals, who often play an inspirational or spellbinding role in the ponerization process. Recall here the power of the paranoid characteropath lies in the fact that they easily enslave less critical minds, e.g. people with other kinds of psychological deficiencies, or who have been victims of individuals with character disorders, and, in particular, a large segment of young people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this point in time, the union still exhibits certain romantic features and is not yet characterized by excessively brutal behavior. Soon, however, the more normal members are pushed into fringe functions and are excluded from organizational secrets; some of them thereupon leave such a union.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An example would be a paranoid character who believes himself to be a Robin Hood type character with a "mission" to "rob from the rich and give to the poor." This can easily transform to "rob from anyone to gain for the self" under the cover of "social injustice against us makes it right."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Lobaczewski wrote:&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Individuals with inherited deviations then progressively take over the inspirational and leadership positions. The role of essential psychopaths gradually grows, although they like to remain ostensibly in the shadows (e.g. directing small groups), setting the pace as an Ã©minence grise.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In ponerogenic unions on the largest social scales, the leadership role is generally played by a different kind of individual, one more easily digestible and representative. Examples include frontal characteropathy, or some more discreet complex of lesser taints.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A spellbinder at first simultaneously plays the role of leader in a ponerogenic group. Later there appears another kind of "leadership talent", a more vital individual who often joined the organization later, once it has already succumbed to ponerization. The spellbinding individual, being weaker, is forced to come to terms with being shunted into the shadows and recognizing the new leader's "genius", or accept the threat of total failure. Roles are parceled out. The spellbinder needs support from the primitive but decisive leader, who in turn needs the spellbinder to uphold the association's ideology, so essential in maintaining the proper attitude on the part of those members of the rank and file who betray a tendency to criticism and doubt of the moral variety.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The spellbinder's job then becomes to repackage the ideology appropriately, sliding new contents in under old titles, so that it can continue fulfilling its propaganda function under ever-changing conditions. He also has to uphold the leader's mystique inside and outside the association. Complete trust cannot exist between the two, however, since the leader secretly has contempt for the spellbinder and his ideology, whereas the spellbinder despises the leader for being such a coarse individual. A showdown is always probable; whoever is weaker becomes the loser.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The structure of such a union undergoes further variegation and specialization.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A chasm opens between the somewhat more normal members and the elite initiates who are, as a rule, more pathological. This later subgroup becomes ever more dominated by hereditary pathological factors, the former by the after-effects of various diseases affecting the brain, less typically psychopathic individuals, and people whose malformed personalities were caused by early deprivation or brutal child-rearing methods on the part of pathological individuals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It soon develops that there is less and less room for normal people in the group at all. The leaders' secrets and intentions are kept hidden from the union's proletariat; the products of the spellbinders' work must suffice for this segment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An observer watching such a union's activities from the outside and using the natural psychological world view will always tend to overestimate the role of the leader and his allegedly autocratic function. The spellbinders and the propaganda apparatus are mobilized to maintain this erroneous outside opinion. The leader, however, is dependent upon the interests of the union, especially the elite initiates, to an extent greater than he himself knows. He wages a constant position-jockeying battle; he is an actor with a director. In macrosocial unions, this position is generally occupied by a more representative individual not deprived of certain critical faculties; initiating him into all those plans and criminal calculations would be counterproductive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In conjunction with part of the elite, a group of psychopathic individuals hiding behind the scenes steers the leader, the way Borman and his clique steered Hitler. If the leader does not fulfill his assigned role, he generally knows that the clique representing the elite of the union is in a position to kill or otherwise remove him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have sketched the properties of unions in which the ponerogenic process has transformed their original generally benevolent content into a pathological counter-part thereof and modified its structure and its later changes, in a manner sufficiently wide-scale to encompass the greatest possible scope of this kind of phenomena, from the smallest to the largest social scale. The general rules governing those phenomena appear to be at least analogous, independent of the quantitative, social, and historical scale of such a phenomenon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ideologies&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a common phenomenon for a ponerogenic association or group to contain a particular ideology which always justifies its activities and furnishes motivational propaganda. Even a small-time gang of hoodlums has its own melodramatic ideology and pathological romanticism. Human nature demands that vile matters be haloed by an over-compensatory mystique in order to silence one's conscience and to deceive consciousness and critical faculties, whether one's own or those of others.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If such a ponerogenic union could be stripped of its ideology, nothing would remain except psychological and moral pathology, naked and unattractive. Such stripping would of course provoke "moral outrage", and not only among the members of the union. The fact is, even normal people, who condemn this kind of union along with its ideologies, feel hurt and deprived of something constituting part of their own romanticism, their way of perceiving reality when a widely idealized group is exposed as little more than a gang of criminals. Perhaps even some of the readers of this book will resent the author's stripping evil so unceremoniously of all its literary motifs. The job of effecting such a "strip-tease" may thus turn out to be much more difficult and dangerous than expected.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A primary ponerogenic union is formed at the same time as its ideology, perhaps even somewhat earlier. A normal person perceives such ideology to be different from the world of human concepts, obviously suggestive, and even primitively comical to a degree.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An ideology of a secondarily ponerogenic association is formed by gradual adaptation of the primary ideology to functions and goals other than the original formative ones. A certain kind of layering or schizophrenia of ideology takes place during the ponerization process. The outer layer closest to the original content is used for the group's propaganda purposes, especially regarding the outside world, although it can in part also be used inside with regard to disbelieving lower-echelon members. The second layer presents the elite with no problems of comprehension: it is more hermetic, generally composed by slipping a different meaning into the same names. Since identical names signify different contents depending on the layer in question, understanding this "doubletalk" requires simultaneous fluency in both languages.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Average people succumb to the first layer's suggestive insinuations for a long time before they learn to understand the second one as well. Anyone with certain psychological deviations, especially if he is wearing the mask of normality with which we are already familiar, immediately perceives the second layer to be attractive and significant; after all, it was built by people like him. Comprehending this doubletalk is therefore a vexatious task, provoking quite understandable psychological resistance; this very duality of language, however, is a pathognomonic symptom indicating that the human union in question is touched by the ponerogenic process to an advanced degree.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ideology of unions affected by such degeneration has certain constant factors regardless of their quality, quantity, or scope of action: namely, the motivations of a wronged group, radical righting of the wrong, and the higher values of the individuals who have joined the organization. These motivations facilitate sublimation of the feeling of being wronged and different, caused by one's own psychological failings, and appear to liberate the individual from the need to abide by uncomfortable moral principles.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the world full of real injustice and human humiliation, making it conducive to the formation of an ideology containing the above elements, a union of its converts may easily succumb to degradation. When this happens, those people with a tendency to accept the better version of the ideology will tend to justify such ideological duality.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ideology of the proletariat, which aimed at revolutionary restructuring of the world, was already contaminated by a schizoid deficit in the understanding of, and trust for, human nature; small wonder, then, that it easily succumbed to a process of typical degeneration in order to nourish and disguise a macrosocial phenomenon whose basic essence is completely different.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note: From the Communist Manifesto: "By proletariat [is meant] the class of modern wage laborers, who, having no means of production of their own, are reduced to selling their labor-power in order to live." &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Additional note: Fascism seems to be the diametric opposite of Communism and Marxism, both in a philosophic and political sense, and also opposed democratic capitalist economics along with socialism and liberal democracy. It viewed the state as an organic entity in a positive light rather than as an institution designed to protect collective and individual rights, or as one that should be held in check.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fascism is also typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic which accurately describes what was passed off under the name of Communism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fascist state regulates and controls (as opposed to nationalizing) the means of production. Fascism exalts the nation, state, or race as superior to the individuals, institutions, or groups composing it. Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, often to the point of a cult of personality. Again, we see that Fascism was passed off as Communism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what actually seems to have happened is that the original ideals of the proletariat were cleverly subsumed to State corporatism. Most people in the west are not aware of this because of the Western propaganda against Communism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The word "Fascist" has become a slur throughout the world since the stunning failure of the Axis powers in World War II. In contemporary political discourse, adherents of some political ideologies tend to associate fascism with their enemies, or define it as the opposite of their own views. There are no major self-described fascist parties or organizations anywhere in the world. However, at the present time, in the U.S., the system is far more Fascist than Democratic which probably explains the existence of the years of anti-Communist propaganda. That would demonstrate an early process of ponerization of Western democracy which, at present, has almost completed the transformation to full-blown Fascism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Lobaczewski wrote:&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;For future reference, let us remember: ideologies do not need spellbinders. Spellbinders need ideologies in order to subject them to their own deviant goals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, the fact that some ideology degenerated along with its corollary social movement, later succumbing to this schizophrenia and serving goals which the originators of the ideology would have abhorred, does not prove that it was worthless, false, and fallacious from the start. Quite the contrary: it rather appears that under certain historical conditions, the ideology of any social movement, even if it is sacred truth, can yield to the ponerization process.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A given ideology may have contained weak spots, created by the errors of human thought and emotion within; or it may, during the course of its history, become infiltrated by more primitive foreign material which can contain ponerogenic factors. Such material destroys an ideology's internal homogeny. The source of such infection by foreign ideological material may be the ruling social system with its laws and customs based on a more primitive tradition, or an imperialistic system of rule. It may be, of course, simply another philosophical movement often contaminated by the eccentricities of its founder, who considers the facts to blame for not conforming to his dialectical construct.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Roman Empire, including its legal system and paucity of psychological concepts, similarly contaminated the primary homogeneous idea of Christianity. Christianity had to adapt to coexistence with a social system wherein "dura lex sed lex" , rather than an understanding of human beings, decided a person's fate; this then led to the corruption of attempting to reach the goals of the "Kingdom of God" by means of Roman imperialistic methods.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The greater and truer the original ideology, the longer it may be capable of nourishing and disguising from human criticism that phenomenon which is the product of the specific degenerative process. In a great and valuable ideology, the danger for small minds is hidden; they can become the factors of such preliminary degeneration, which opens the door to invasion by pathological factors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus, if we intend to understand the secondary ponerization process and the kinds of human associations which succumb to it, we must take great care to separate the original ideology from its counterpart, or even caricature, created by the ponerogenic process. Abstracting from any ideology, we must, by analogy, understand the essence of the process itself, which has its own etiological causes which are potentially present in every society, as well as characteristic developmental patho-dynamics.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Ponerization Process&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Observation of the ponerization processes of various human unions throughout history easily leads to the conclusion that the initial step is a moral warping of the group's ideational contents.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In analyzing the contamination of a group's ideology, we note first of all an infiltration of foreign, simplistic, and doctrinaire contents, thereby depriving it of any healthy support for, and trust in, the necessity of understanding of human nature. This opens the way for invasion by pathological factors and the ponerogenic role of their carriers. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the present danger to the 911 Truth Movement and Alternative Media. Such claims as those made by Sartre, Judy Andreas, Dimitris, etc, that weeding out the cointelpro factors amounts to "infighting" and "backstabbing" and "petty differences" and so on, amount to nothing more that simplistic and doctrinaire concepts that do not take into account the complexity of human nature and most especially the existence of deviant psychopathologies. In short, it just isn't realistic based on a reasonable observation of how things work in the real world, historically speaking. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, are they "useful idiots" or conscious agents?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We don't know. What we can know is that taking their simplistic and doctrinaire paramoralisms as truth is setting a dangerous example.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Lobaczewski wrote:&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The example of the Roman legal system vis a vis early Christianity mentioned above, is a case in point. The Roman imperial and legal civilization was overly attached to matter and law, and created a legal system that was too rigid to accommodate any real aspects of psychological and spiritual life. This "earthy" foreign element infiltrated Christianity resulting in the Catholic church adopting Imperial strategies to enforce its system on others by violence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This fact could justify the conviction of moralists that maintaining a union's ethical discipline and ideational purity is sufficient protection against derailing or hurtling into an insufficiently comprehended world of error. Such a conviction strikes a ponerologist as a unilateral oversimplification of an eternal reality which is more complex. After all, the loosening of ethical and intellectual controls is sometimes a consequence of the direct or indirect influence of the omnipresent factors of the existence of deviants in any social group, along with some other non-pathological human weaknesses.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometime during life, every human organism undergoes periods during which physiological and psychological resistance declines, facilitating development of bacteriological infection within.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, a human association or social movement undergoes periods of crisis which weaken its ideational and moral cohesion. This may be caused by pressure on the part of other groups, a general spiritual crisis in the environment, or intensification of its hysterical condition. Just as more stringent sanitary measures are an obvious medical indication for a weakened organism, the development of conscious control over the activity of pathological factors is a ponerological indication. This is a crucial factor for prevention of tragedy during a society's periods of moral crisis.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For centuries, individuals exhibiting various psychological anomalies have had the tendency to participate in the activities of human unions. This is made possible on the one hand by such group's weaknesses, i.e. failure in adequate psychological knowledge; on the other hand, it deepens the moral failings and stifles the possibilities of utilizing healthy common sense and understanding matters objectively. In spite of the resulting tragedies and unhappiness, humanity has shown a certain progress, especially in the cognitive area; therefore, a ponerologist may be cautiously optimistic. After all, by detecting and describing these aspects of the ponerization process of human groups, which could not be understood until recently, we shall be able to counteract such processes earlier and more effectively. Again, depth and breadth of knowledge of human psychological variations is crucial.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any human group affected by the process described herein is characterized by its increasing regression from natural common sense and the ability to perceive psychological reality. Someone considering this in terms of traditional categories might consider it an instance of "turning into half-wits" or the development of intellectual deficiencies and moral failings. A ponerological analysis of this process, however, indicates that pressure is being applied to the more normal part of the association by pathological factors present in certain individuals who have been allowed to participate in the group because the lack of good psychological knowledge has not madated their exclusion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus, whenever we observe some group member being treated with no critical distance, although he betrays one of the psychological anomalies familiar to us, and his opinions being treated as at least equal to those of normal people, although they are based on a characteristically different view of human matters, we must derive the conclusion that this human group is affected by a ponerogenic process and if measures are not taken the process shall continue to its logical conclusion. We shall treat this in accordance with the above described first criterion of ponerology, which retains its validity regardless of the qualitative and quantitative features of such a union: the atrophy of natural critical faculties with respect to pathological individuals becomes an opening to their activities, and, at the same time, a criterion for recognizing the association in concern as ponerogenic.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such a state of affairs simultaneously consists as a liminal (watershed) situation, whereupon further damage to people's healthy common sense and critical moral faculties becomes ever easier. Once a group has inhaled a sufficient dose of pathological material to give birth to the conviction that these not-quite-normal people are unique geniuses, it starts subjecting its more normal members to pressure characterized by corresponding paralogical and paramoral elements.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For many people, such pressure of collective opinion takes on attributes of a moral criterion; for others, it represents a kind of psychological terror ever more difficult to endure. The phenomenon of counter-selection thus occurs in this phase of ponerization: individuals with a more normal sense of psychological reality leave after entering into conflict with the newly modified group; simultaneously, individuals with various psychological anomalies join the group and easily find a way of life there. The former feel "pushed into counter-revolutionary positions", and the latter can afford to remove their masks of sanity ever more often.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People who have been thus thrown out of a ponerogenic association because they were too normal suffer bitterly; they are unable to understand their specific state. Their ideal, the reason they joined the group, which constituted a part of the meaning of life for them, has now been degraded, although they cannot find a rational basis for this fact. They feel wronged; they "fight against demons" they are not in a position to identify. The fact is their personalities have already been modified to a certain extent due to saturation by abnormal psychological material, especially psychopathic material. They easily fall into the opposite extreme in such cases, because unhealthy emotions rule their decisions. What they need is good psychological information in order to find the path of reason and measure. Based on a ponerologic understanding of their condition, psychotherapy could provide rapid positive results. However, if the union they left is succumbing to deep ponerization, a threat looms over them: they may become the objects of revenge, since they have "betrayed" a magnificent ideology.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the stormy period of a group's ponerization, followed by a certain stabilization in terms of contents, structure, and customs. Rigorous selective measures of a clearly psychological kind are applied to new members. So as to exclude the possibility of becoming sidetracked by defectors, people are observed and tested to eliminate those characterized by excessive mental independence or psychological normality. The new internal function created is something like a "psychologist", and it doubtless takes advantage of the above-described psychological knowledge collected by psychopaths.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It should be noted that certain of these exclusionary steps taken by a group in the process of ponerization, should have been taken against deviants by the ideological group in the beginning. So rigorous selective measures of a psychological kind taken by a group is not necessarily an indicator that the group is ponerogenic. Rather one should carefully examine what the psychological selection is based on. If any group seeks to avoid ponerization, it will want to exclude individuals with any psychological dependence on subjective beliefs, rites, rituals, drugs, and certainly those individuals that are incapable of objectively analyzing their own inner psychological content or who reject the process of Positive disintegration.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a group in the process of ponerization, spellbinders take care of "ideological purity". The leader's position is relatively secure. Individuals manifesting doubt or criticism are subject to paramoral condemnation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maintaining the utmost dignity and style, leadership discusses opinions and intentions which are psychologically and morally pathological. Any intellectual connections which might reveal them as such are eliminated, thanks to the substitution of premises operating in the proper subconscious process on the basis of prior conditioned reflexes. An objective observer might wish to compare this state to one in which the inmates of an asylum take over the running of the institution. The association enters the state wherein the whole has donned the mask of ostensible normality. In the next chapter, we shall call such a state the "dissimulative phase" with regard to macrosocial ponerogenic phenomena.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Observing the appropriate state corresponding to the first ponerological criterion - the atrophy of natural critical faculties with respect to pathological individuals - requires skillful psychology and specific factual knowledge; the second, more stable phase can be perceived both by a person of average reason and by public opinion in most societies. The interpretation imposed, however, is unilaterally moralistic or sociological, simultaneously undergoing the characteristic feeling of deficiency as regards the possibility of both understanding the phenomenon and counteracting the spread of said evil.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, in this phase a minority of social groups tend to consider such a ponerogenic association comprehensible within the categories of their own world view and the outer layer of diffusing ideology as a doctrine acceptable to them. The more primitive the society in question, and the further removed from direct contact to the union affected by this pathological state, the more numerous such minorities would be. This very period, during which the customs of the union become somewhat milder, often represents simultaneously its most intensive expansionist activity.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This period may last long, but not forever. Internally, the group is becoming progressively more pathological, finally showing its true qualitative colors again as its activities become ever clumsier. At this point, a society of normal people can easily threaten ponerologic associations, even at the macrosocial level.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again: "The only thing necessary for the takeover of the 911 Truth Movement by Fascist agents of CoIntelPro is for the members of that movement to NOT expose such agents when and if they spot them, and for the movement as a whole to utilize the most careful hygiene in keeping itself clean of pathological elements." &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is NOT a game, people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="CLEAR: both; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.25em"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114575870702546780?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114575870702546780/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114575870702546780&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114575870702546780'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114575870702546780'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/04/911-truth-movement-is-being-sabotaged.html' title='911 Truth Movement is being Sabotaged by Cointelpro'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114541965514887233</id><published>2006-04-18T23:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2006-04-19T00:12:15.666-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Smokers...YOU are NOT the Problem!</title><content type='html'>Gee, you know, it's a funny thing how we smokers are being blamed for nearly all the illnesses in the world! Don't you ever get to thinking there is something fishy about all these claims that smoking and second-hand smoke is causing so much havoc?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is an article which puts everything you think you know in a much different perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A 911 Call On Facing Global Pollution&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;by Mathew K. Kiel&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The massive and exponentially increasing amount of smog we are breathing, globally, but especially in the U.S., has grown to be an environmental "911 call" of enormous urgency for all of us. In the U.S., we have a president, administration and both bodies of the Congress all determined to utterly pollute our air, water and land without restraint. The EPA has simply been deconstructed, defunded, disempowered and deregulated to the point of nearly complete irrelevance and dysfunction since January of 2001.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most Americans now live downwind or downwater, no matter in how seemingly rural, remote and pristine an environment, from a major source of toxic levels of air and/or water pollution that is directly and adversely affecting their physical health. These pollution levels were nowhere near so life threatening just a bit more than five short years ago, back when the EPA was still alive, well, and enforcing the clean air and clean water standards. But over five years of deliberately unleashing almost unrestrained environmental pollution from all sources have rendered almost every last square mile of the continental U.S. a hazardous wasteland filled with toxic particulates, vapors and soups.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is impossible to overstate the negative impact of this new Free License to Pollute from the Bush administration on everyone's health. These last five years have seen the nationwide statistics for lung cancers, respiratory diseases and cancers of all kinds, in everyone from infants to the elderly and in every part of the country, rural and urban alike, soar upward at rates never seen before. But we aren't hearing about this from the media, the press or the government, and many of the newest environmental health impact studies are vanishing from U.S. government web sites almost as fast as they are published by the various federal health agencies still collecting the data.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pollutants of all kinds are again being produced and released with pitifully few attempts either made or allowed to ameliorate the wholesale contamination spewing into the environment. After all, most of that toxic, radioactive and otherwise deadly pollution is coming from power plants, industries, refineries, mines, automobiles and plastics owned or produced by the same wealthy individuals and/or corporations who have paid a lot of money to put Bush into the White House and have him get rid of the EPA, enforcement, regulations and all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Pathocratic Elite's wealthy owners and corporations have always resented any demands that they clean up their toxic wastes. Since the dawning days of the American public's environmental awarness and the government's moves toward environmental sanity, from the mid 60s and early 70s onward, they have slavered with just as much ferocity, to first block and avoid then later to get rid of all environmental protections and restraints, as they have to do away with Social Security, and for exactly the same reasons: It interferes with the unbridled pursuit of their greed and of their lusts for power, privilege and prestige.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As one example of the new trend, the flood waters from New Orleans were pumped straight into Lake Ponchartrain without any filtration, and without any testing being done to see just how bad it was, and just exactly what all was in a toxic sludge so deadly that stray dogs were seen to be killed by less than 30 minutes exposure to it. That is a huge lake, in an environmentally sensitive and ecologically unique wetland, and it is also the primary aquifer for all of lower Louisiana and the surrounding bayou habitats of adjoining states. There were multiple millions of gallons of lethally toxic goo pumped into it for weeks, and those toxic substances and pollutants will eventually leach out into the Gulf of Mexico as well. There is literally no limit to how far the poison can and will be spread from Lake Ponchartrain over time. This is an environmental crime, a pure crime against the Earth and all living things, including all human beings, a crime that will cause sickness and death in countless ways for decades, if not centuries to come. Not one serious voice of protest was heard about it when it was being done.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bush EPA did the same thing to New Yorkers, declaring the post September 11, 2001 air quality to be "good" and "safe." To this day the people of the New York City area have not been officially informed of the simple facts by their government, neither federal nor state. The fallout from the demolitions of the two WTC towers and WTC Building 7 contained megatons of silicates, metals, heavy metals, such as mercury - from thermostats, light switches, dental fillings and vapour lamps, plastics, tons of asbestos, the toxic ashes of synthetic fibres from rayon, dacron, nylon and polyester onward, bacterial and organic compounds from incinerated or pulverized human bodies, airborne PVC fumes and particulates, and radioactive particulates and gases from thousands of incinerated and pulverized smoke detectors and other commonplace alarm devices containing radioactive sensor elements. Of course, there were also fuel vapors, soot and actual uncombusted fuel from the jets that crashed into the towers. As horrific as this list is, it is the tip of the iceberg of toxins present in the air of New York City and adjacent areas of New Jersey for at least ten days to two weeks after 9/11/2001.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the bodies of New Yorkers, and especially their lungs, are telling them the horrid Truth of it these days. The death rates for those New Yorkers who were exposed to the fallout from 9/11 have also soared. If there were any serious federal or state environmental studies of their health problems being allowed, rather than prevented, it would be abundantly clear that many thousands more Americans were sentenced to slow, lingering and brutal deaths by the Bush EPA's lies as to the air quality on and after 9/11/2001. Many more emergency responders, and even their K9 rescue dogs, have now died from respiratory diseases caused by the airborne contaminants. More people from every walk of life, in New York City and also in those areas of New Jersey that were directly downwind of the initial ash and vapor clouds from the WTC, and the smoke of the burning that continued for the next two weeks, have since died from the toxic fallout, fumes and smoke released on and after 9/11 than from the attacks themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An environmental crisis of the 9/11 aftermath's proportions now afflicts even the most remote boondocks of America. From the Smoky Mountain highlands, to the Blue Ridge valleys of North Carolina, to the Bayous of Louisiana, the foothills of Middle Tennessee, the Green Mountains of Vermont and the high plateaus of the Intermountain West, toxic air and water pollution have arrived like an incoming tide with no lines of retreat and are devastating the environment nationwide. There is no safe place left for anyone, "from the mountains, to the valleys, to the oceans white with foam", America is healthy no more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will look to the scenic, pastoral, world renowned summer vacation paradise of lower Michigan's 6 southwestern Lakeshore counties and their 6 adjacent inland counties for but one example. This strip, roughly 60 miles wide and 80 miles long was, and still should and could be, nearly pristine land, with much of it having now lain fallow to all uses for at least 25 years, ever since the collapse of Michigan's industrial and automotive generated economy, never to return again, in the mid 1970s to early 1980s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So dire has the chronic air pollution exposure become for the residents of the area that they now have one of the highest incidences of respiratory diseases of all kinds, anywhere, and most pertinently of asthma, chronic obstructive airways disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, emphysema and lung cancers of all kinds. That is a short list of those respiratroy ailments and diseases nearly always referred to in medical literature published since 1980 as "smoking related" diseases. However, that region of Michigan has had a historically lower than average number of smokers due to the strong cultural influences and strict religious beliefs of the Dutch Christian Reformed Church members who became a majority of the earliest European settlers in the area. A large percentage of the surnames in area phone books are Dutch to this day, and Holland, Michigan, with its annual tulip festival, real Dutch windmill and skilled Klompen dancers, is but one of the shoreline communites suffocating in a thick layer of smog not of its own making.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The area's residents are also abnormally high, among the highest in the world again, for other cancers of all kinds, all of which show a strong statistical correlation with exposure to airborne pollutants from exhaust fumes and/or exposure to the toxins from plastics production or combustion and emissions from oil refineries. All of those polllutants and more are produced, in abundance, in and around the heavily urbanized belt of cities that extend from Portage and Gary, Indiana, to Chicago and Waukegan, Illinois, and on northward to above Milwaukee, Wisconsin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The area of Michigan in question, on the other hand, makes its claims to fame as the "Fruit Basket of America," and as the "Blueberry Capital of the World." Not exactly two of the most air pollution producing of all "industries." So just why are these counties of rural southwestern Michigan among the highest in the nation and the world in the statistical incidences of what are always labeled as smoking-related lung diseases and cancers of all kinds? The area is dotted with some of the most picturesque, isolated, rural towns and villages in the country.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A careful study of the National Weather Service air quality reports reveals that the prevailing winds are from the W, WSW, to SSW directions for the entire center of the U.S. The winds blow from the prevailing directions for over 300 days each year, on average, in the southwestern quadrant of lower Michigan. In the past 5 years only when the winds have shifted to any other direction does the National Weather Service record a day for the area, as recorded in reports for one inland city, Grand Rapids, now and then, when the air quality is GOOD. The rest of the time, MODERATE or worse is the best it gets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An area producing little to no pollution in its own right, in a state with some of the harshest anti-smoking taxes and bans in the nation, all widely and enthusiastically embraced by a vast majority of the citizens, is suffocating to death from the smog exported to it by a band of heavily polluting cities far away. Across the lower half of Lake Michigan no less, which has a significant "scrubbing" effect on the air that traverses its open waters, Chicago and surrounding cities that are up to two hundred miles away are exporting their pollution and killing the residents of small farming villages in rural Michigan. No pastoral locale, no matter how remote or insulated it may seem, is any longer far enough away from the sources or effects of pollution to be considered safe or protected now that the regulation and enforcement of environmental protections for air and water quality standards are gone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of this nation's aging and frighteningly dilapidated nuclear power plants are leaking radioactivity into our ground water. In the case of southwestern lower Michigan, this too is a factor the residents live with. There are a number of nuclear power plants distributed around Michigan, but by far the most worrisome one, and the oldest, is the Pallisades Nuclear Power Plant, built in 1971 by Consumers Power Company. It emits its radioactive seepage directly into the waters of Lake Michigan, having been set up on the very shore of the Lake, just north of Benton Harbor, at Hagar Shores. It was in fact designed to draw the water used to cool its thermonuclear pile directly from the Lake, and so it does.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If ever there was a deliberate act of insanity, this is it: To set up a nuclear power plant on the actual shore of one of the Great Lakes. The Great Lakes, of which Lake Michgan is the second largest, are the sole and total aquifer for the entire north central North American continent. All of the land, both Canadian and U.S., that lies between the Rocky Mountains on the west and the Smoky, Appalachian, BlueRidge, Cumberland, Green Ridge, et al chain on the east, and is north of the southern tip of Lake Michigan has the Great Lakes as its primary aquifer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Great Lakes contain more than one fifth of the sum total of our global fresh water supply. To deliberately build and operate into its total, company admitted obsolesence, a nuclear power plant directly on the sandy, southeastern shore of Lake Michgan has got to take some kind an of all time prize for idiocy. Or else for pure maliciousness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A new Poster at the Signs of the Times Forum raised some crucial points, and they appear in the numbered segments below. I have shortened the writer's comments and somewhat rephrased them, for the sake of brevity and emphasis. But Honor says that even someone who wished to be anonymous should not be robbed, and this Poster is entirely right: More than most things, these demonstrate the heart of the matter. I am grateful for the contribution, and it could not have been more welcome or timely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The EPA has now taken to violating the Clean Air Act in its own right. Part of the federal response to the damage hurricane Katrina did to oil refineries along the Gulf Coast was to temporarily remove the pollution control standards for those refineries hit by the storm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(The measure received so little media or press coverage, that it is doubtful, even today, whether most Americans have any idea this was done.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. A few days later, after the initial removal of EPA controls from Gulf Coast refineries received no widespread complaints or notice, they removed ALL pollution controls from ALL fuel refineries, nationwide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(This, of course, includes the ones surrounding Chicago. The 12 county area of Michigan mentioned above has not had less than a yellow alert on smog for any day of W, WSW to SSW winds since last fall. In all past years, there had been a break from the worst of the pollution for the winter months.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The waivers initially issued by the EPA were supposed to expire on September 15, 2005, but since it obviously saved the oil-industry a ton of money in refining costs, they have decided to go against the Clean Air Act and make the waivers permanent. The link for the information contained in items 1, 2, and 3 is: http://www.environmentaldefense.org/pre &amp; entID=2498&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. In Sept. 2004 the National Institute of Environmental Health Science issued this statement: "Children who live in polluted communities are five times more likely to have clinically low lung function--less than 80 percent of the lung function expected for their age. New data from the Children's Health Study suggests that pollutants from vehicle emissions and fossil fuels hinder lung development and limit breathing capacity for a lifetime." http://www.niehs.nih.gov/o c/news/airpoll.htm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. In January 2005 they issued this statement. "Among U.S. residents, 1 in 2 men and 1 in 3 women will develop cancer at some point in their lifetimes. Research shows that environmental factors trigger diseases like cancer, especially when someone has a family history,[...]" http://www.niehs.nih.gov/oc/news/canceragents.htm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. One division of our government (NIEHS) is willing to acknowledge and advise the American people of the amount of lung function and capacity we are losing due to airborne pollutants, while another division of our government, a so-called protection agency, intentionally makes the problem worse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, let us think the above through and ask the obvious: How can this all be done without the public seeming to either notice or care?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Easily. With extensive enough and deep enough brainwashing and emotional conditioning, Mind Control in every real and pratical regard, the whole problem simply vanishes from the public's awareness, over and over, year after year, for sicker, and sicker, and sicker still, until all of us die from pollution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a long standing, tried and true, public blindness and hysteria-inducing, nearly perfect programme of Mind Control in place, designed and implemented years ago to hide and deny the entire environmental holocaust being wrought and planned by the global PTB. It is comprised first and foremost of a False Belief System, grounded in a set of false "knowns" and "facts" that we have swallowed hook, line and sinker almost universally.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not ashamed to admit right here that I myself had absolutely believed that the "facts known" about the dangers of both smoking and exposure to second-hand smoke were all true, all real, and all solidly proved beyond a reasonable doubt, until about a year ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please, for those of you who feel a powerful, knee-jerk reflex against this, maybe even an overwhelming desire to throw the computer out the window because of the turn this article has just taken, and for those who might now really crave to paste me square in the teeth for having pulled this "dirty" trick, please know that I have profound respect and sincere empathy for what you are feeling. That is exactly how I first reacted to the whole idea. Please stay with me now. Please have a cup of coffee, or a glass of milk, or heck, pour a sip of wine and let the steam back off for a bit. I know that's what I had to do. (The coffee was my choice.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have now been humbled deeply on this subject by months of research spent seeking the facts about it. I would never have questioned the subject at all except for some of the commentaries and other writings encountered through this web site. I initially set about to find out for myself, rather than to take their word for it, whether or not the Signs of the Times commentators were mistaken in their strong doubts about the actual dangers of smoking itself. While their arguments were certainly logical, I just could NOT accept the premise without a lot of solid proof found by my own efforts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had almost lifelong habits of questioning every voice of authority, every source of facts, and in taking no one's word for anything, no matter how persuasive it seemed, when I came up against this challenge. How odd it is then that not once, before encountering the Signs web site's commentaries and other writings on the issue, not once had I ever even thought to check out the facts about smoking and second-hand smoking for myself. That says just how totally and how deeply the conditioning is implanted in us and just how hardcore and set in is the brainwashing we have all received on this subject. I am appalled that this Programme had indeed taken me in, put me under its spell and kept me obliviously accepting its False Beliefs for almost 40 years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since the first U.S. Surgeon General's report on smoking was released in 1964, my utter acceptance of its validity, and that of every subsequent report, was instant and unthinking. As I said, I have been HUMBLED by the results of my research, not the least of all at the new found awareness of my own susceptibility to this Programme for all those years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Programme is an incredibly artful construct, with a nearly absolute mastery of distraction, deflection, disinformation and scapegoating in place, and it is and has always been, from its beginning, brilliantly orchestrated and disseminated by and through the mainstream, corporate media and press. It has insinuated itself into the mental fabric of nearly all of humanity. It was gradually built up, ever so carefully, incrementally and persuasively at every step, and it has long since been firmly, deeply embedded in our minds and in our emotional reflexes. So far, it has worked almost perfectly, for going on 40 years, as the global PTB's "cure" for the exponentially rising and spreading toxic effects of global environmental degradation and pollution of every kind, air pollution and radioactive contamination most and worst of all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The global PTB, starting in the United States before spreading the anti- smoking Progammming around the world, always at an ever accelerating pace and an ever escalating emotional tenor, have been succeeding in completely hiding from the public's awareness, from all of us, the Real causes, which are toxic pollution of the environment, in all areas, and all ways, and all kinds, for the ever increasing cancers, respiratory, neurological and other life and health destroying ills that now afflict us. The Global Lords of Illusion have achieved this masterpiece of mass delusion and deception through the use of a most literal smoke screen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only the results of almost a year's worth of deep digging online and through the public library's reference services has finally brought the whole, ugly Pathocratic Reality into sharp focus. What I have lost is massive denial and the blindness it brought. What I have gained is a much broader portion of the Truth. It was time well spent. If you have the courage to risk the pain of parting with some very deeply implanted illusions, read on. If not, stop here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PART 2:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Great Anti-Smoking Smoke Screen&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are now going to expose a conspiracy that is, in its own way, every bit as strange and chilling as that exposed in the Pentagon Strike video. Nothing could be any more appropriate than to now quote the quietly spoken but Earth-shaking phrase heard at the mid point of that Work:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Welcome to the Objective Reality. Please stay focused."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Despite the overwhleming and all pervasive prevalence of the claims, almost universally believed to be "well established facts," telling us second-hand exposure to tobacco smoke is the same, "life-threatening" danger as smoking itself, there is a serious body of evidence to, at the least, soundly dispute, if not outright disprove, such assertions. In fact, though seldom questioned, the truth is that the proof of the dangers of smoking itself, far from being conclusive, is not at all certain, and even less certain are the proofs of the dangers of second-hand smoking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In putting aside all of the previous, pat conclusions, then taking a close and logical look at the issue, one must ask some very basic questions. How were these conclusions drawn and from what sources? Where, when and by whom were the scientific, double blind, objective, large scale, independently verified and long term studies done to conclusively prove such claims? What and where are the hard data and the solid, factual evidence to support them, aside from that found in government conducted, funded or connected studies? How were the studies designed and who were the test subjects?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Going in search of answers to those questions has been a very revealing experience. I invite others do so for their own enlightenment. The inquirer will find that there were government "fingers" in the conducting, the mixing and the results of the few and closely related original studies and reports villifying smoking itself. In fact, most subsequent studies have drawn from the originals so heavily as to be virtual reiterations thereof, thinly disguised and presented as "new" when in fact the only things new about them were the dates of their compilations and completions and the names of some of the patients and doctors paricipating in them, but not even all the names changed. Since this body of evidence has been used to both terrify the populace about smoking and to villify and demonise smokers, it seems that a great deal of sweeping assertions have been made upon the basis of a very thin icing of "proofs."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Subsequent, truly independent studies have not been able to consistently reproduce the same results and to support the same conclusions. Others, the numerical majority of all such studies to be sure, have indeed supported the original conslusions, but have done so by largely being precise, deliberate repetitions designed to duplicate the original tests, results and all, and run by the same "laboratories" and other government controlled sources, among them the AMA, CDC, NIH, VA and many federally funded public medical facilities, hospitals, and public universities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How any question is asked will inevitably have a great bearing upon what answer is received in response to it. In no area is that fact more significant than in the testing and surveys done to prove the case against tobacco, and cigarette smoking in particular. It is not inaccurate to say that the body of works upon which the entire anti-smoking mythos has been based and subsequently reinforced appears to be a pool of very limited and derivative types and sources of research, and that the original studies were weighted and conducted so as to reach the predetermined conclusion of smoking's universally harmful effects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After examining the sources of the original conclusions regarding the ills of smoking and likewise the dangers of second-hand smoking, the very next set of searches proved most informative. Web searches on the topics of "U.S. Air Pollution Reports", "UN Air Pollution Reports", "Environmental Pollution Reports 1970 to 2000" and "Earth's Most Polluted Areas" yielded some fascinating and dreadful results. Note especially, in the official reports that pop out, the years when the first major reports and data about global atmospheric pollution were released by the WHO, and when the first studies for U.S. atmospheric pollution data came out from the brand new EPA.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "coincidences" are striking between the years when the anti-smoking hype began or got ratcheted up another notch each time, and when the sounding of alarms came from environmental researchers about the severe threats to human health posed by the degradation of the global environment and the toxic levels of air pollution that had been reached in most urban areas worldwide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The original U.S. Surgeon General's report condemning cigarette smoking itself, the one that got this whole Programme started, came out in 1964. One must not miss the precise correlation between that first report and the original furor that had just then arisen over Rachel Carson's landmark 1962 book, SILENT SPRING. She had sounded the first and loud wake up call about DDT and other pesticides poisoning and launched environmental awareness onto the world's stage singlehandedly, especially in the U.S., Canada and the UK. Suddenly, after the Surgeon General's report, the media and press dropped all coverage of the increasing public concerns related to the environmental revelations brought to light by SILENT SPRING, and the uproar over the dangers of smoking had begun.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This has been a precise, "repeat as needed to quell environmental concerns" pattern ever since. With a mere 3 to 6 months of objective observation, being Mindful that there IS a pattern, those who are reading this and doubting it cannot fail to see it for themselves if they will but look for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The punitive taxation, the anti-smoking legislation and the ongoing, utterly one-sided media hype and frenzy over the subject, in the U.S., didn't get ratcheted up to the long since customary roar until 1972 however, more than 8 years after that pivotal Surgeon General's report. Not until 1977 were cigarette commercials banned entirely from U.S. broadcast airwaves, and as late as 1988, smoking was still allowed in the very rooms of hospital patients nationwide so long as they were neither using oxygen nor in an specialized intensive care unit. How interesting that the launches, then the subsequent, incremental increases of the anti-smoking vendettas, have so precisely matched the releases of the first several waves of dismal reports and their soundings of serious alarms about the prevalence and dire health consequences of rapidly spreading and growing levels of toxic, global pollution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Extensive digging revealed that the warnings about the perils of second-hand tobacco smoke had the same types of studies used as the foundational smoking studies, and the very same sources entirely produced several of the major U.S. studies on second-hand smoking. They again were done by and for the U.S. federal government, using the same government owned or controlled labs and the same list of federal health agencies. That alone makes their results and conclusions rather suspect. Another series of them were done by labs underwritten by the health insurance industry, again not exactly a neutral agency without major ties to the government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In one key example of how the anti-smoking data has been skewed, the AMA, CDC, NIH, VA and all other public health agency studies have asked ONLY about patients' and test subjects' smoking and/or exposure to others' tobacco smoke. There are no questions asked as to whether a patient has been also exposed to other air born particulates, or to such things as gasoline or kerosene fumes, vehicle exhausts, solvents, paints, pesticides, household and industrial cleaning chemicals, aerosol sprays, dusts, moulds, pollens and other irritants and allergens, etc., but only whether and how much there has been of exposure to tobacco smoke.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is very easy to assign the blame for the continuously rising incidences of respiratory diseases of all kinds, globally, upon one, and only one cause, smoking, when no other potential culprit, no other and even more prevalent exposure to possible toxins is included in the tests. Using the same type of testing, one could in fact "prove conclusively" that lung cancer is caused by drinking well water, and in heavily polluted areas it very well may be. But that question has not been asked of those patients suffering from respiratory diseases and being profiled by any part of the mainstream medical community and government testing establishments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In VA hospital surveys done among veterans suffering from respiratory ailment, over the past 40 years, veterans who logically had to have also been exposed to many other dangerous, air born contaminants, from Agent Orange to Depleted Uranium, gunpowder residue, asbestos, vehicle and aircraft exhaust fumes, to ship engine exhausts, fuel and solvent fumes and many other air pollutants, in addition to any tobacco smoke exposure they may have had, ONLY their exposure to tobacco smoke was asked about and tallied.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The VA studies essentially attributed all cases of pulmonary and respiratory diseases as being the effects of smoking and/or second-hand smoking each and every time that an individual had indicated either a history of smoking or of exposure to the tobacco smoke of others, without any regard for their exposure to other possible causes. If exposure to tobacco smoke was confirmed in a respiratory patient's medical history questionaire, no additional questions were asked, and tobacco smoke was listed as the causative agent in the respiratory disease process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No studies have yet been done by the VA to effectively determine if other contaminants might possibly have been more causative of the veterans' respiratory ills than their use of or exposure to tobacco smoke. Alternative causes were sought only in those rare instances when a patient indicated no sustained or significant contact with tobacco smoke, ever, not even for a very short period in the course of his or her entire lifetime. Which is to say virtually never. This same rule, of asking only about a patient's exposure to tobacco smoke, has been, and is, used in gathering the statistics compiled about the "causative" relationships between tobacco smoke and all of the respiratory diseases now routinely labeled as "smoking related."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The simple truth is that public agency, medical association and other government affiliated and/or funded and controlled studies have never included other pollutants on an equal footing with tobacco smoke, nor, indeed, at all in the vast majority of sources from which their statistical data and thus their conclusions are drawn. The questions about exposure to other contaminants are not to be found on any of the standard "medical history" questionaires either. Just check the one your own physician uses if you doubt this. The question simply is not asked, not by mainstream medical practitioners, or by alternative ones for that matter, nor by any other sources involved with gathering the data on the dangers of smoking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The WHO statistics, from their first, 1968 - 1970, surveys on global air pollution, found more lung cancer among non-smokers who were long term residents of polluted urban areas than among heavy smokers who were long term residents of pollution free rural areas. That information, however, has never yet been covered by the mainstream media and press, having been almost completely suppressed since shortly after its initial release in 1970. It takes a lot of digging to uncover its trail, even on the internet, but the data is there for those who go to the necessary lengths to uncover it. Start with a Google search on "World Health Organization Reports 1968" and go on from there, year by year up through 2000. The journey is quite an eye opener.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The kind of research used to demonize tobacco smoking would not have qualified as a reliable basis for drawing a definitive conclusion in the clinical psychology laboratory, in the chemistry lab or the physics lab, and it should not have been allowed to influence the entire course of human societal programming as it has done ever since. Had it not been used as the basis for draconian governmental measures, not to mention profiteering through punitive tobacco taxations galore, and had it not been touted far and wide by a media intent on promoting the government's propaganda on the subject, we might have gained much. Had there been any serious attempt to present a balanced investigation of the subject by the mainstream media and press, the status of smokers in today's world would likely not be so dreadful as it has become.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A significant number of smaller but more objective scientific studies have been done by independent researchers and laboratories around the world, most of them seeking to reproduce and verify the results of the government and/or other studies attesting to the ills of second-hand smoking. They have failed to find reliable, globally applicable, statistical correlations between exposure to others' tobacco smoke and an increased risk of respiratory ailments and/or lung cancers of all kinds in either adult nonsmokers or children. The independent results have shown that for every study which seems to prove the contention that second-hand tobacco smoke is harmful, there is another in which those harmful effects fail to appear, or else are related to environmental contaminants other than tobacco smoke. Legitimate studies do ask those other questions that the rest do not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the same challenges, tests and analyses are applied to data on the relationship between exposure to concentrations of air pollutants and environmental toxins and the incidence of respiratory ailments and cancers of all kinds, however, the precise one-to-one correlation is well established.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In nation after nation, in every culture and climate, in areas either downwind or downstream in the water table from large cities, nuclear power plants, coal fired power plants, ore extraction and other metal industries, and other known producers of airborne particulates and toxic pollutants, despite all other factors and variables from diet and exercise onward to age, the same relationship exists: The one factor that IS most determinant of the likelihood for development of lung cancers and respiratory ailments of all kinds is exposure to air born radioactive contaminants, airborne particulate matter, airborne toxins, vehicle exhaust fumes and ground level ozone, in other words, air pollution, smog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The statistical correlation's between such infirmities and environmental pollution of all kinds grow more pronounced, more solidly proven with every new study. Funny how we seldom hear about those results in the mainstream, corporate press and media, isn't it? Yet the hysteria about second-hand smoking continues to grow, and the myth that smokers are a threat to the health of all gets more firmly entrenched in the public's awareness every year as the result. It is anything but coincidental that the first "proofs" of the perils of smoking, and then of exposure to second-hand smoking, hit the airwaves and received every form of global dissemination, far and wide, immediately after the releases of major early studies and reports on the devastating and growing ill effects to all of humanity from environmental pollution of every kind, especially air and water pollution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Christopher Reeves' wife, Dana, recently died of lung cancer, it was at once loudly and soundly attributed, by the corporate media's many eager and enthusiastic medical pundits, not to her having lived in the heavy smog zone of the Los Angeles basin for the past two decades, but to her occassional exposures to second-hand smoking as a nighclub singer when she was young, in a career that ended more than 15 years before she was diagnosed with lung cancer. It does not take much objective consideration to know that something is very wrong with that assertion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet what we have all been taught to believe is the case is that any exposure to tobacco smoke, even if when we were infants, is bound to then be the inevitable cause of our developing any and every kind of horrible respiratory ailments and even fatal lung cancers several decades later. It just is not so, and the outrageous scare tactics involved in the anti- smoking Mind Control Programme become quite obvious after the first perceptions of its pattern become clear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The process of deflection and scapegoating continues apace. An amazing example of it is currently displayed by what has happened to the information regarding the weekly increases now being measured in global atmospheric radioactivity. This lethal airborne radioactive material is being inflicted upon us all by the illegal and massive U.S. use of Depleted Uranium munitions in Iraq. It was but very recently swept under the rug by the media's focusing our attention upon and reporting to us instead about the new plethora of smoking bans going into effect around the world. Naturally the first wave of those bans began just when the facts about the globally measurable increases in atmospheric radioactive particulates from DU munitions almost began to gain some widespread public notice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Immediately following the one and only BBC feature on the topic, exactly 48 hours later, the new wave of UK smoking bans proposals and debates, then passages, then enforcement methods and issues, distraction and deflections, scapegoating tactics one and all, started being a daily topic presented to us as of the highest importance for the good of our health, and they have continued in that vein ever since. Frankly, anyone who cannot reason this out well enough by now to figure out that thousands of metric tonnes of Depleted Uranium particulates and gases now being released into the Earth's atmosphere comprise a far greater and far deadlier risk, to the health and the very life of every living thing on this planet, than does all the tobacco smoking done and all the tobacco smoke released into the atmosphere since time began, needs at least a mental battery charge or even a replacement, because the bulb in that head is getting very dim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is far more than a slight misdirection. It is a global and carefully orchestrated Distraction Action. Whenever a new case of shocking, massive destruction to the health of an area's citizens by air and environmental pollution has been revealed, always caused by one Pathocratic corporate or government entity or another's callous disregard for humanity and the Earth, along comes a fresh media blitz further extolling the evils of tobacco smoke and the smokers who create it, and, of course, a fresh batch of anti-smoking laws, or tobacco litigations, or medical announcements of even more doom to all who get near to smokers and/or their smoke, and or more tabacco taxes and regulations, and on and on. The global airwaves, the mainstream press and thereby the public's consciousness are hijacked, every single time, and the revelation of yet more environmental devastation having been visited upon the lowly masses by the global Pathocracy gets lost again, and still.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is made far more difficult, in regard to the allegations of the evils of smoking and second hand tobacco smoke, to speak Truth to the Lies, than in any other venue of public discourse. Many, if not in fact most, members of the movements and organizations standing most firmly in what they believe is complete opposition to the global PTB, among them anarchists, environmentalists, NGOs, many spiritual fellowships and communities, vegans, churches, support groups and so on, have swallowed the anti-smoking propaganda hook, line and sinker too. They unthinkingly, passively and with great gusto do the PTB's work of "divide and conquer" for it by demonizing and ostracizing smokers even more resolutely than do the governments whom they claim to oppose. It is hoped that at least some will have sufficiently strong resistance to the anti-smoking propaganda and programmes running in their heads to go to the nearest computer terminals and do the minimal searches suggested in this article so as to see for themselves what is really going on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before embracing any bias, one must always locate and consider the validity of its premises and especially examine its sources, then ask that necessary and fundamental question "Who benefits from it?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the global anti-smoking conditioning and propaganda, this is as necessary as in all of the other negative assumptions embedded in the "values" handed to us by mainstream society. No other product and practice has ever before been so demonized as smoking while still being treated as a fully legal, personal preference that citizens everywhere may freely choose to engage in without the threat of going to jail for doing so. Other substances that have thus been demonized have also been outlawed, such as narcotics, amphetamines, marijuana, LSD, ecstacy and many other euphorics and hallucinogens, but not so with tobacco. Surely it is long past the time to carefully and deeply question both why that is and just who benefits most from it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Certainly, to date, there have been NO demonstrable benefits whatsoever to the public's health from all the anti-smoking measures combined. All of the diseases so long claimed to be "smoking related" have only increased with and in each and every year since the anti-smoking campaigns first began. In fact, the stricter and more punitive the anti-smoking programmes have become, the more universally present those dieaeses and cancer become, and the faster and worse the public's health has gone downhill. That fact alone is sufficient to tell us, loudly, that something is very WRONG with the whole anti-smoking agenda and all of the long touted "facts" supporting it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The inescapable conclusion seems to be that the great anti-smoking agenda has always been a major "red herring." It was clearly designed to serve the purpose of distracting the public. It has very successfully kept the vast majority from becoming consciously and constantly aware of the real causes of the precipitously rising incidences of all kinds of respiratory ailments and lung cancers worldwide every year. Enormous suffering and destruction of health has stricken more and more people, each and every year, exactly as was predicted in the first comprehensive WHO and EPA environmental reports, released in 1971 and 1972, on the effects of global pollution on human health.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since it began, and continuing to this very day, the anti-smoking crusade has been used to prevent and deflect the public's wrath and its inevitable feelings of loathing and violent rejection toward anyone and anything causing such severe and global harm. The toxic, public negativity which should rightfully have gone, and still must go, to and toward the polluters killing us all has instead been artfully shifted onto tobacco smokers. Smoking has been keeping the public's attention, awareness and most of all its wrath away from the increasing global pollution and the alarming rises in deadly illnesses being caused by it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile, the biggest polluters and their best enablers, all of them members of that global Pathocracy of a few, ultra wealthy, ultra powerful, largely clandestine families, the real rulers of Planet Earth, have continued with little to no obstruction to pollute the planet wholesale in their pursuit of obscene, endless profits and power for themselves and their friends. Thanks to the anti-smoking smoke screen and the conditioning it has imposed upon the minds of most people over the course of the last 40 years, they have grown ever more wealthy and powerful, literally at the cost of our lives and health and the lives and health of all future generations, if any there shall be as things currently stand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The anti-smoking programme was designed to keep even the most astute and the least gullible among the people, those most dedicated to working against the PTB, blinded to the truth of who and what is really to blame for their wheezing children and their own cancerous lungs, skins and digestive tracts. What a stupendously devious "bait and switch" it truly has been, is, and will continue to be if we remain fogged in by anti-smoking propaganda. Their first step, convince everyone in the world that some realtively harmless but very addictive consumer product is totally toxic to everyone who gets near to it, so as to guarantee there will always be at least a few hopelessly addicted users of said product around to for scapegoats and patsies. Next, cook the medical data, doctor the medical books and records, set up tests that will guarantee you the statistics and all else you need to make this appear to be true, unless very closely examined with great attention to details galore. Lastly, bury as much of the contradicting evidence as can be buried, and then, every time you commit another environmental crime, and lots more people get sicker than ever or even die, point to that highly addictive consumer product that is relatively, maybe even entirely harmless and shout "THERE'S THE KILLER! THERE'S WHAT'S MAKING YOU SICK!" Have an army of your own, personal media and press people in place the then shout it so loudly and convincingly after that to assure that it is heard and repeated around the world each and every time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In all of these years, not one voice has been raised in public to ask how it can be possible for cigarette smoking, and in particular second-hand exposure to cigarette smoking, to still be responsible for all of these exponentially increasing ills, especially not at this late date. Fewer people now smoke less tobacco than at any time since 1951, according to the latest U.S. government statistics. It simply doesn't add up: There is no possibility that smoking alone could now account for, nor ever did account for, the huge and growing plethora of ills that have been hidden by the literal smoke screen that has been made of it. But they even have an explanation for that: you either smoked, however briefly, or were exposed to noxious and toxic "second-hand smoke" when young.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since the inventors and purveyors of the anti-smoking agenda, its policies and its attitudes were and are the servants and members of the global Pathocracy, that alone should give thinking people more than sufficient cause to reconsider the entire issue. Now that we begin to truly know them for what they are, everything they've ever assured us is true needs to become highly suspect, at best, and to be carefully examined and researched. Through the members and actions of the current ruling class and political lords of the U.S., and especially in the members of the Bush administration and its followers, the ugly reality of Pathocracy has finally come out of hiding and shown itself to us all in a full and Dark flowering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The magnitude and quantity of ills and wrongs the Pathocrats foisted off onto the backs of, first, U.S. smokers, and now the entire global population of smokers, has turned smokers into the scapegoats and patsies for heinous and nearly infinite Pathocratic crimes. Even worse, these Lies have made social pariahs of a very many good and decent people who, in the Light of Truth, can now be seen to have done very little, if any, real harm to anyone, let alone to all of this Earth's inhabitants. Yet they have surely born the blame for the crimes of environmental destruction and pollution. It is impossible to read any advertisments, from job opportunities to apartments for rent and not see, in an endless and heartbreaking litany on every page, "NO Smokers" "Smokers Need Not Apply" "Non-smoking ONLY" and the like.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO BLIND AS THIS?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BRAINWASHING. CONDITIONING. MIND CONTROL.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Great Anti-Smoking Smoke Screen is a most literal case of Smoke and Mirrors that has, until now, been effectively used to Deceive us all and to hasten us on our ways to massive numbers of deaths most foul caused by massive amounts of global, toxic pollution and environmental destruction, not by our far less toxic, and far less frequent, far less constant exposures to tobacco smoke from whatever source.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As some final food for thought, please consider a last collection of a few simple facts. Even for those of us who have smoked, or who still do, we do NOT smoke when sleeping, for but one of many cases in point adding up to many hours of the day and night when we are not taking the contents of our tobacco smoke into our own lungs and bodies nor broadcasting it out into the world around us. But, for all of us on this Earth, the toxic, airborne pollutants are still being drawn into our lungs with every breath, for all of the minutes and hours of each and every day, for our entire lives, even in our sleep, without ceasing ever. As True for smokers as for all of us, the Pathocrats' Poisons are in the very air we must breathe in order to live, utterly inescapable, and far more intimately with us and within us than any amounts of tobacco smoke ever was or will be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those who do not smoke and/or who intensely dislike smoking, or who have allergic reactions from being exposed to tobacco smoke, you CAN always walk away from someone who is smoking. Or, if you ask politely, the smoker will usually put out the offending source; I always do, even when asked very impolitely. But go out and ask any Pathocrat on this Earth, politely or otherwise, to extinguish the pollution pouring out from a source he or she owns or controls, or to stop any other kind of environmental devastation being caused by his or her pursuits and enterprises. You will, as have many others who have already tried desperately to do just that, many times and in many ways, wind up serving a very unpleasant stay in a jail or even in prison.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, having failed to get a Pathocrat to stop polluting and destroying your own and only Earth, try your very best then to walk away, run away or even fly away from the poisonous emissions raining upon you from pollution of every kind. It is impossible. Their toxic pollution is carried for hundreds of miles on the innocent winds. Their toxic pollution permeates every cubic centimeter of the air inside your house, and the air and water out in your yard, and in your town, and in your entire world. Their toxic pollution is constantly increasing its presence in every fibre and molecule of your very own body, even as you read these words.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all CAN walk away from tobacco smoke. And the Truth IS that we always could have. Without any anti-smoking measures to have ever been taken by anyone, those who objected to smoking were always Free not to participate in it nor to be near it. But there is no longer any means left now for any of us to escape from the runaway, Pathocratic, global pollution and environmental destruction, thanks to the Great Anti-Smoking Smoke Screen that has kept us all blinded for the past 40 years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Had we addressed pollution, and the Truth that it IS the Real source of our increasing and terrible sicknesses, of our increasingly early but so very lingering and painful deaths; had we invested ourselves and our efforts in stopping polluters and pollution with all of our vigour and resources over the entire course of the past 40 years; had we given ourselves over to prosecuting polluters and all who would protect or enable them in their polluting, in every way possible, and given ourselves over to enforcing an end to their polluting with exactly the same absolute beliefs in it being the totally and most right thing to do, and using exactly the same measures and fortitude societally as we have done in going after smokers and attempting to eradicate smoking instead, how might the world have now been very different for us all?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"WELCOME TO THE OBJECTIVE REALITY."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114541965514887233?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114541965514887233/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114541965514887233&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114541965514887233'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114541965514887233'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/04/smokersyou-are-not-problem.html' title='Smokers...YOU are NOT the Problem!'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114313436084509414</id><published>2006-03-23T12:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-03-23T12:19:21.336-05:00</updated><title type='text'>abovetopsecretcom-exposed</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;While many of us are aware of the lengths the 'Liars' will go to in suppressing the Truth, it is always quite amazing to see this process in action.  In the following article by &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/"&gt;Laura&lt;/a&gt; you will see that they are enlisting the services of a high-powered law firm to seek to suppress the truth by claiming 'copyright' privileges for their original article which was critiqued by Joe Quinn in his article.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      &lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;Some of you may have noticed that signs of the times was down for awhile today. This was due to the actions of the website abovetopsecret.com. As I have speculated, they were given the task to run cointelpro on Joe Quinn's article:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  &lt;a href="http://abovetopsecret.narod.ru/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm"&gt;Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 - and Neither Did a Boeing 757 &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; which was an analysis of the "catherder" article on abovetopsecret which essentially was support for the Bush Neocons conspiracy theory about the events of September 11.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; As anyone who is familiar with copyright law knows, this is perfectly legal under standard copyright law.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; However, abovetopsecret.com, like Bush and the Neocons, make up their own laws. As I have chronicled on this blog, their urgent demands that we remove this article because it was a violation of their "creative commons" copyright was absurd and simply evidence of their position as an active cointelpro/psy-ops propagator on the internet. It isn't copyrights they are concerned about, it is google bombing and running psy-ops. And now, they have proven it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Here is the letter we received from our server people after being notified by about a hundred people via email that the signs of the times site was down:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;       &lt;p&gt;From:               "James" ****&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;          &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         To:                 Arkadiusz Jadczyk&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Subject:            FW: Notice of Copyright Infringement&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Date sent:          Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:55:32 -0500&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Date forwarded:     Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:38:12 -0600&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Hi, we received the following complaint from your site. Please investigate this and let us know.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;James&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;From: Jaeschke, Jr., Wayne [mailto:WJaeschke@****.com]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;           Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:35 PM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         To: dmca@velcom.com&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Cc: mark@abovetopsecret.com; skepticoverlord@abovetopsecret.com&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Subject: Notice of Copyright Infringement&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;Sirs:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;Our firm represents AboveTopSecret.com LLP ("ATS").  ATS is the owner of numerous copyrighted articles being displayed in an infringing&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         manner on a website hosted by your company.  That website is http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/&amp;amp;gt; &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/"&gt;http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         The infringing articles appear at:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm&amp;amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm"&gt;http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/Abo … rticle.htm&lt;/a&gt; ("the 757&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         article")&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs20050909.htm&amp;amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs20050909.htm"&gt;http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs … 050909.htm&lt;/a&gt; ("the FEMA article")&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;The original articles appear on the Abovetopsecret.com website at:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg1&amp;amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg1"&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         And&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1&amp;amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1"&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The republication of each of these articles is governed by the Creative&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Commons 2.5 Deed ("the CC Deed").&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;The 757 article may be republished in accordance with the terms and conditions specified here:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?tid=79655&amp;amp;pid=816414&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?tid=79655&amp;pid=816414"&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc. … pid=816414&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;The FEMA article may be republished in accordance with the terms and conditions specified here:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?tid=167902&amp;amp;amp;pid=1685907&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?tid=167902&amp;pid=1685907"&gt;http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc. … id=1685907&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;Pursuant to the CC Deed, these articles, each of which is owned by ATS and is the subject of a registration in the United States Copyright Office 1) may not be published on sites/pages with commercial advertisements; 2) may not be used to make "derivative works"; and 3) must provide proper attribution to the author and a link to the original article.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;In each instance of content owned by ATS appearing on the "signs-of-the-times.org" website, all three of these conditions of the terms of use is violated.  The owners/operators of ATS have attempted to contact the operator of signs-of-the-times.org and have this situation corrected by either removing the articles or republishing them in a manner that complies with the CC Deed.  The operators of the Signs-of-the-times.org websites, Laura Knight-Jadczyk and Arkadiusz Jadczyk, have failed to comply.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;We must therefore request that Velcom.com, as hosts for the Signs-of-the-times.org website, remove these pages from publication.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Moreover, this letter constitutes notice to the operators of Velcom.com that ATS believes that have a right to enforce their copyright under Canadian and U.S. law and reserves the right to take further action in the U.S., Canada, or both without further notice.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;As well, this letter is also to serve notice on Velcom.com that the owners of ATS have rescinded all rights to the operators of signs-of-the-times.org under the CC Deed, in view of their continued non-compliance with the terms and conditions of use of original, copyright content appears on the abovetopsecret.com website.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;Please contact me at *******  if you have any questions with regard to this matter.  Otherwise, we look forward to the prompt and amicable resolution of this matter.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wayne Jaeschke&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;Wayne C. Jaeschke, Jr.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         Morrison &amp; Foerster LLP&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         ********************&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         McLean, VA 22102&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         phone: ****&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         fax: ****&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         wjaeschke@****.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         ================================================&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, Morrison &amp;amp; Foerster LLP informs you that, if any advice concerning one or more U.S. Federal tax issues is contained in this communication (including any attachments), such advice is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For information about this legend, go to&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;a href="http://www.mofo.com/Circular230.html"&gt;http://www.mofo.com/Circular230.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;=&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;         This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail @mofo.com, and delete the message.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now folks, come on, how many websites that were just started by an ordinary guy who took on a couple of "ordinary" partners, and is just a hobby and sharing on the internet, are able to afford a copyright attorney in McLean Virginia???&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;This action also is highly suggestive of the idea that the Pentagon Issue is a LOT more sensitive than anyone has thus far suspected! Do take note of THAT!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I hope that everyone who reads this will spread this information far and wide because these people are EVIL Bush supporters, Cyber Nazi Brown Shirts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; See the blog posts:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html"&gt;Is  Is the Above Top Secret Forum COINTELPRO?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_07_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html"&gt;COINTELPRO Updates: Above Top Secret Forum&lt;/a&gt; -- this post is most pertinent to the current Simon Grey issue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_10_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html"&gt;Abovetopsecret.com COINTELPRO Update&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_11_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html"&gt;AboveTopSecret.com COINTELPRO Update 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_12_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html"&gt;More Inside Scoops on Abovetopsecret.com!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_14_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html"&gt;The Spider and The Fly: SkepticOverlord and COINTELPRO&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_24_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html"&gt;Abovetopsecret: Ethics and Google Bombs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; See also forum threads on abovetopsecret.com and project SERPO:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3015#p3015"&gt;http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/for … 3015#p3015&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=523"&gt;http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/for … php?id=523&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our research team is out there digging up info.  This is back already:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Did a search on their lawyer, Wayne Jaeschke.  Here is the official&lt;br /&gt;bio from his law firm's site (www.mofo.com!):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mr. Jaeschke is a patent attorney in Morrison &amp; Foerster LLP's&lt;br /&gt;Intellectual Property group.  Wayne has been admitted to practice&lt;br /&gt;before the USPTO since 1994 and has substantial experience preparing&lt;br /&gt;and prosecuting patent applications in many fields, including:&lt;br /&gt;computer software, surface and polymer, electromechanical and optical&lt;br /&gt;devices, and pharmaceuticals. Wayne has also successfully handled&lt;br /&gt;internet domain name litigation and dispute resolution; copyright&lt;br /&gt;infringement litigation, inter partes reexamination, novelty,&lt;br /&gt;infringement and validity opinions for all technical disciplines;&lt;br /&gt;patent licensing, collaborative research agreements with major U.S.&lt;br /&gt;universities, and related intellectual property matters. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prior to joining Morrison &amp; Foerster, Mr. Jaeschke worked for Allied-&lt;br /&gt;Signal's water treatment polymer group where he assisted clients in&lt;br /&gt;the areas of papermaking, mining, oil refining, and municipal water&lt;br /&gt;treatment.  After Allied Signal, Mr. Jaeschke worked for Betz'&lt;br /&gt;Laboratories paper chemicals group where he was a process specialist&lt;br /&gt;in the field of wet-end paper chemistry, recycled fiber usage and&lt;br /&gt;overall papermaking performance enhancement through the use of&lt;br /&gt;specialty chemical technology. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr. Jaeschke holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Chemical&lt;br /&gt;Engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, received the&lt;br /&gt;degree of Juris Doctor, cum laude, from the American University's&lt;br /&gt;Washington College of Law and is registered to practice before the&lt;br /&gt;United States Patent and Trademark Office.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His law firm, Morrison &amp; Foerster (hence the mofo) has this about the&lt;br /&gt;firm. Sounds like a high-powered and expensive one:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Morrison &amp;amp; Foerster maintains one of the largest intellectual&lt;br /&gt;property practices in the world, with more than 300 lawyers providing&lt;br /&gt;a full range of services, including counseling, prosecution,&lt;br /&gt;litigation, ­­­dispute resolution and licensing transactions in patent,&lt;br /&gt;trademark, and copyright matters. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The firm's practice has been consistently ranked by independent&lt;br /&gt;observers as one of the top intellectual property practices in the&lt;br /&gt;country.  In 2003, the firm was short-listed for the USA Intellectual&lt;br /&gt;Property Law Firm of the Year Award by Chambers &amp; Partners in London.&lt;br /&gt;In Managing IP's latest rankings of the top law firms in this field,&lt;br /&gt;Morrison &amp;amp; Foerster was one of only a small number of full-service&lt;br /&gt;firms (as opposed to IP boutiques) included in the Top 25 based on&lt;br /&gt;volume of U.S. contentious and non-contentious matters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Morrison &amp; Foerster's IP practice serves clients in a wide range of&lt;br /&gt;industries, including biotechnology, medical devices and healthcare;&lt;br /&gt;electronics, software, telecommunications, Internet and&lt;br /&gt;semiconductors; chemistry, chemical engineering and materials&lt;br /&gt;science; and media and entertainment. The firm's attorneys, including&lt;br /&gt;partners Tom Ciotti, Kate Murashige and Gladys Monroy, have played a&lt;br /&gt;significant role in the creation and protection of many of the&lt;br /&gt;landmark patent portfolios in the information technology and life&lt;br /&gt;science industries. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this, regarding the complaint:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"... derivative works"; and 3) must provide proper  attribution to the author and a link to the original article."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Frozen fish is not technically a derivative work. A derivative use of  the original would be if you made a movie using the article as a  script, or if you translated the original article into another language. Although this is somewhat of a gray area:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.chillingeffects.org/derivative/&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In short, a derivative work is a whole work based on one or more  other whole works"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Criticism is protected under copyright law:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.chillingeffects.org/fanfic/notice.cgi?NoticeID=7&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The most significant factor in this analysis is the fourth, effect  on the market. If a copier's use supplants demand for the original  work, then it will be very difficult for him or her to claim fair use. On the other hand, if the use does not compete with the  original, for example because it is a parody, criticism, or news  report, it is more likely to be permitted as "fair use.""&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, it appears that ATS is claiming that Frozen Fish will supplant  demand for the original article.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To decide whether a use is "fair use" or not, courts consider:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use &lt;br /&gt;is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit education purposes;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. the nature of the copyrighted work;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to &lt;br /&gt;the copyrighted work as a whole; and,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of &lt;br /&gt;the copyrighted work. 17 U.S.C. 107(1-4)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Number one in the above list is why ATS has been harping on the links  to book sales.&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=523"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Joe Quinn, author of the critique of the abovetopsecret.com article has sent the following:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "derivative work" claim is BS, pure and simple. I did not "alter, &lt;br /&gt;transform, or build upon" the ATS piece, so it is not a derivative &lt;br /&gt;work. Commercial use would be if they were some charge for people to &lt;br /&gt;access the work - there is none. The use of the ATS piece was criticism, &lt;br /&gt;therefore it was not &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;competing&lt;/span&gt; with the original work.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice that in the lawyer's email, he does not make reference to any law, &lt;br /&gt;Why? Because there is no legal infringement. Of course, all of this is &lt;br /&gt;academic since the server folks are not in the business of defending &lt;br /&gt;their clients, they will bow down to the mighty dollar, or the threat of &lt;br /&gt;having to spend some, every time. So psychopathic manipulative tactics win &lt;br /&gt;the day, as usual. I think a lawyer joke is in order.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;blockquote&gt;The devil visited a lawyer's office and made him an offer. "I can&lt;br /&gt;    arrange some things for you, " the devil said. "I'll increase your&lt;br /&gt;    income five-fold. Your partners will love you; your clients will&lt;br /&gt;    respect you; you'll have four months of vacation each year and live&lt;br /&gt;    to be a hundred. All I require in return is that your wife's soul,&lt;br /&gt;    your children's souls, and their children's souls rot in hell for&lt;br /&gt;    eternity."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    The lawyer thought for a moment. "What's the catch?" he asked.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best we can do is use this episode to further expose the abovetopsecret.com crowd &lt;br /&gt;for what they are: the Internet equivalent of the national Enquirer: disinfo, psy-ops and just plain trash.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both; padding-bottom: 0.25em;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114313436084509414?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114313436084509414/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114313436084509414&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114313436084509414'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114313436084509414'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/03/abovetopsecretcom-exposed.html' title='abovetopsecretcom-exposed'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-114221493455504858</id><published>2006-03-12T20:55:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-03-12T20:55:34.570-05:00</updated><title type='text'>More Debunking of 911 'Official Story'</title><content type='html'>It has been a while since my last post here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Little has really changed in the interval. The Bush Reich continues to get away with the creation of their mayhem and destruction around the world and the Media remain mum about pretty much everything which goes on or has gone on regarding same.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It does seem that there is a least a whiff of 'change' in the air here and there. Perhaps now that the emotional-reactions many have harbored since the events of September 11, 2002 have subsided enough for some rational thinking about these events to begin taking place for some people there will be more openness to a critical analysis of what may actually have taken place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The following article is from an engineer whe is very experienced in the areas he writes about in the following article which I found at &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/chains/signs20060311_BusharroWorld.php"&gt;Signs of the Times&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;A Boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;by Michael Meyer, Mechanical Engineer&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To the members of the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would like to give you my input as to the events on September 11, and why it is a physically provable fact that some of the damage done to the Pentagon could not have occurred from a Boeing 757 impact, and therefore the 9/11 Commission report is not complete and arguably a cover-up. I will not speculate about what may have been covered up, I will only speak from my professional opinion. But I will explain why I do not believe the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing 757&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am a Mechanical Engineer who spent many years in Aerospace, including structural design, and in the design, and use of shaped charge explosives (like those that would be used in missile warheads).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The structural design of a large aircraft like a 757 is based around managing the structural loads of a pressurized vessel, the cabin, to near-atmospheric conditions while at the lower pressure region of cruising altitudes, and to handle the structural and aerodynamic loads of the wings, control surfaces, and the fuel load. It is made as light as possible, and is certainly not made to handle impact loads of any kind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If a 757 were to strike a reinforced concrete wall, the energy from the speed and weight of the aircraft will be transferred, in part into the wall, and to the structural failure of the aircraft. It is not too far of an analogy as if you had an empty aluminum can, traveling at high speed hitting a reinforced concrete wall. The aluminum can would crumple (the proper engineering term is buckle) and, depending on the structural integrity of the wall, crack, crumble or fail completely. The wall failure would not be a neat little hole, as the energy of the impact would be spread throughout the wall by the reinforcing steel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is difficult to model accurately, as any high speed, high energy, impact of a complex structure like an aircraft, into a discontinuous wall with windows etc. is difficult. What is known is that nearly all of the energy from this event would be dissipated in the initial impact, and subsequent buckling of the aircraft.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are lead to believe that not only did the 757 penetrate the outer wall, but continued on to penetrate separate internal walls totaling 9 feet of reinforced concrete. The final breach of concrete was a nearly perfectly cut circular hole (see below) in a reinforced concrete wall, with no subsequent damage to the rest of the wall. (If we are to believe that somehow this aluminum aircraft did in fact reach this sixth final wall.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, is alleged to have punched through 6 blast-resistant concrete wallsa total of nine feet of reinforced concretebefore exiting through this hole.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is physically impossible for the wall to have failed in a neat clean cut circle, period. When I first saw this hole, a chill went down my spine because I knew it was not possible to have a reinforced concrete wall fail in this manner, it should have caved in, in some fashion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How do you create a nice clean hole in a reinforced concrete wall? with an explosive shaped charge. An explosive shaped charge, or cutting charge is used in various military warhead devices. You design the geometry of the explosive charge so that you create a focused line of energy. You essentially focus nearly all of the explosive energy in what is referred to as a jet. You use this jet to cut and penetrate armor on a tank, or the walls of a bunker. The signature is clear and unmistakable. In a missile, the explosive charge is circular to allow the payload behind the initial shaped charge to enter whatever has been penetrated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do not know what happened on 9/11, I do not know how politics works in this country, I can not explain why the mainstream media does not report on the problems with the 9/11 Commission. But I am an engineer, and I know what happens in high speed impacts, and how shaped charges are used to "cut" through materials.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have not addressed several other major gaps in the Pentagon/757 incident. The fact that this aircraft somehow ripped several light towers clean out of the ground without any damage to the aircraft (which I also feel is impossible), the fact that the two main engines were never recovered from the wreckage, and the fact that our government has direct video coverage of the flight path, and impact, from at least a gas station and hotel, which they have refused to release.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can call me a "tin hat", crazy, conspiracy theory, etc, but I can say from my expertise that the damage at the Pentagon was not caused by a Boeing 757.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;Michael Mayer&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-114221493455504858?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/114221493455504858/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=114221493455504858&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114221493455504858'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/114221493455504858'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/03/more-debunking-of-911-official-story.html' title='More Debunking of 911 &apos;Official Story&apos;'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-113972326183648608</id><published>2006-02-12T00:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-02-12T00:47:41.870-05:00</updated><title type='text'>More people learn Official 911 Story is Bogus</title><content type='html'>It seems to me the only thing stopping many people from understanding the truth about 911 events is their own reluctance to face this truth!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is an article I found on &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/chains/signs20060210_911Revelations.php"&gt;Signs of the Times&lt;/a&gt; which illustrates what I propose above:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;BYU’s Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;by Philip Sherman Gordon&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Wednesday, February 1, a quiet, “churchy-looking” gentleman in a white shirt and tie walked into a packed auditorium on the campus of Utah Valley State College and electrified the room like a rock star. The 150-seat auditorium was filled to capacity, with every seat occupied, and people sitting in the aisles from the stage floor to the back of the room. Video cameras on tripods lined the back row. Two documentary-film crews were in attendance, in addition to the school’s camera crew, and various independent journalists. Seven “spill-over” rooms, with seating for 40-50 each, were also filled to capacity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On this very conservative campus (in the most conservative county in the most conservative state in the union), where community leaders pulled out all the stops in 2004 to prevent Michael Moore from speaking as part of his anti-Bush, pro-Kerry “Slacker Uprising Tour,” Dr. Steven Jones, this pious professor from the Mormon Church-owned Brigham Young University, calmly, gently, gave a simple physics lesson on the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, the implications of which awed the audience with a sense of world-historical significance, and implied an indictment of the present administration so utterly devastating that it made Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 look like a Bush apologia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Jones argues that the physics behind the government’s explanation of the collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11 do not make sense, and that a better (and perhaps only) explanation for their collapse was that they were demolished, exactly the way structural engineers bring down large buildings, by pre-positioned explosive devices set off in precise sequences. He argues that the 650 degree Celsius temperature of burning jet fuel would not have been hot enough to even bend the steel girders of the WTC Towers, let alone to melt or evaporate them, as recovered beams indicate. And even if it was hot enough to evaporate the steel, the towers should not have collapsed as they did, pancaking so perfectly into their own footprints. On the rare times when such structures have failed (always due to earthquakes), they have toppled over sideways. The towers would have had to have been perfectly sliced, at every point along a horizontal plane at exactly the same instant, for something even resembling a pancaking effect to occur. And even if they did somehow pancake perfectly into their own footprints due to a structural failure, they would not have done it in the time it took for them to collapse, falling at essentially the speed of an apple dropped from the top of one of the towers, with nothing between it and the ground but thin air. The steel and concrete in the floors that collapsed should have taken some measurable time to break, and thus slowed the collapse somewhat as it unfolded. And even if it did collapse, at super speed, phwack phwack phwack, floor by floor, as fast as an apple falling through the air, impelled by the weight of the decapitated structure above it, its solid steel frame severed like a head by a flaming guillotine, that does not explain the molten steel seen at the Ground Zero clean-up site many days after the event. What could have caused such heat? asked Professor Jones.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And on it went, point by point, for almost two hours. Nothing about the physics of “what we know” about 9/11 seemed to add up. And all that’s not to mention the mysterious collapse of the forgotten WTC-7, the third steel-frame building that imploded due to fire, not only that day, but in the history of architectural design--the building that was not hit by a plane, that was surrounded by other buildings equally impacted but structurally undamaged by the collapse of the towers, that, with no jet fuel or violent impact, but allegedly due to a small number of scattered “debris fires,” collapsed, pancaking perfectly into its own footprint, looking exactly like video images of buildings being demolished by pre-positioned explosive devices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Playing the one available video of WTC-7 collapsing at slow speed, Dr. Jones used his laser pointer to indicate the explosive “squibs” clearly seen shooting their way up the sides of the building as it collapsed from the top center down. He showed still images of similar micro-explosions on the sides of the Twin Towers, with steel beams clearly visible, ejected out of the sides of the buildings, ahead of the dust, blown out before the above portions collapsed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a devastating presentation, and one could feel the disequilibrium of 150 minds reeling at once. The defining moment of contemporary American experience suddenly lost its definition. What is the meaning of 9/11? What really happened that day? If these things are true, the implications clearly point to some kind of “inside job” involving the government of the United States of America. (The Department of Defense, the FBI, and the CIA all had offices in the mysteriously collapsed WTC-7. Is it reasonable that outside terrorists could have infiltrated that building and filled it with explosives? ) If the WTC was brought down by pre-positioned explosive devices, somehow facilitated and covered up by the government, it would be the most audacious conspiracy in human history. When before have so many people been so spectacularly bamboozled, with so much death and destruction, and such massive implications for geo-politics? Never, that’s when.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that is the problem Dr. Jones is facing with his research. People have knee-jerk reactions to “conspiracy theories,” at least to the ones that do not make it into their established and trusted news outlets. And the mainstream media, so far, despite a blip or two in the New York Times, is taking a pass on this story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, my skeptical friends believe that the Bush administration cynically smeared the war records of both John Kerry and John McCain during the 2000 presidential election through the use of shill agencies. Yes, they believe there was suppression of black voters in Florida, and other schemes to cheat their way into the White House in the 2000 election. Yes, they believe the administration conspired to rig the intelligence they used to justify their invasion of Iraq. Yes, if they are regular readers of The New Yorker, they believe that the election fraud was worse in 2004, with rigged ballot machines, in Ohio in particular, being used to great effect. And, yes, they believe in massive wrong-doing and cover-up regarding October Surprise and the Iran/Contra affair, as well as the CIA-orchestrated overthrows of democracies in Chile and Iran, to name only two well-known examples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But no, they don’t believe in conspiracy theories.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are hardcore leftists who refuse to even entertain the question of whether science supports the conclusion that the planes brought the towers down. “Too many people would have to know about it for them to get away with it,” one friend said. “They’re not that smart,” said another. “It’s just not plausible,” said a third. The issues raised by Professor Jones are not breaking along standard political fissures. People’s relative amounts of skepticism and credulity, rather than their political affiliations, seem to determine their openness to giving the professor’s analysis a hearing. Jones himself claims to have been a lifelong Republican, but now affiliates with no political party. The audience Wednesday night was definitely not the usual suspects of progressive professors and pierced and tattooed activists and students who regularly gather to share criticism of the President, although there were a few of those, too. Mostly, they looked like a cross-section of average middle-Americans. But by the end of the evening, it is no exaggeration to say that most had become political radicals, not of the left and the right, but of the right and the wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Dr. Jones’s work ever breaks into the mainstream media, and the rest of the country reacts the way the Utah County audience reacted, traditional political divisions will evaporate like steel beams exploded with thermite, and the whole lot of them, the Democrats and the Republicans, will be swept away, along with the military-industrial complex that has apparently managed to subvert the constitution of these United States and to con the American public, mesmerized by the shock of 9/11 and hypnotized by spell-binding incantations of freedom and patriotism, into going along with their mad plans for world domination.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12390748-113972326183648608?l=liebuster.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/feeds/113972326183648608/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12390748&amp;postID=113972326183648608&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/113972326183648608'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12390748/posts/default/113972326183648608'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://liebuster.blogspot.com/2006/02/more-people-learn-official-911-story.html' title='More people learn Official 911 Story is Bogus'/><author><name>The Observor</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07561628424729473159</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12390748.post-113696846003731083</id><published>2006-01-11T03:18:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2006-01-11T03:34:20.216-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Above Top Secret Forum Dis-Info that started it all</title><content type='html'>Since 'lies' is what I speak about here, there is not much of more importance than the 'BIG LIE' that started us all on a downward spiral. I'm speaking of the events of 911 - specifically about the 'Official Version' of events that any normally reasonable and intelligent person who actually is 'thinking' will see is a load of horse manure!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are MANY who are CLAIMING they are looking for the 'truth', but when their actions are examined, and here must be made a distinction between what they say and what they are doing, it is apparent they are mostly making 'noises' about looking for the truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Following is the article by Joe Quinn that got ATS in such a big huff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is pretty plain that they did not glow with 'happiness' by being 'outed' in this way!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:130%;"  &gt;Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on&lt;br /&gt;9/11 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:100%;"  &gt;and Neither Did a Boeing 757 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:180%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);font-size:85%;" &gt;by Joe Quinn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;After&lt;br /&gt;the release of the &lt;a href="http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;QFG Pentagon Strike Flash Animation&lt;/a&gt; on August&lt;br /&gt;23rd, 2004, a veritable onslaught of new articles were published that&lt;br /&gt;sought to dismiss the "no plane at the Pentagon" theory. One such &lt;a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1" target="_blank"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;, that is frequently referenced by certain&lt;br /&gt;'9/11 researchers' was authored by a member of the forum at the "Above&lt;br /&gt;Top Secret" (ATS) website. Interestingly, the article was written &lt;i&gt;just&lt;br /&gt;a few weeks after the release&lt;/i&gt; of the Pentagon Strike Flash&lt;br /&gt;animation, which by then, was winging its way around the world and into&lt;br /&gt;the inboxes of millions of ordinary citizens. Perhaps you were one of&lt;br /&gt;them... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The&lt;br /&gt;claim that promoters of the "no plane at the Pentagon" theory were&lt;br /&gt;doing immense damage to the truth/accountability movement was raised in&lt;br /&gt;Mike Ruppert's book &lt;em&gt;Crossing the Rubicon&lt;/em&gt;. In a stunning piece&lt;br /&gt;of warped logic, Ruppert claimed that, while he is quite convinced that&lt;br /&gt;it was not Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, he chose not to talk about&lt;br /&gt;or deal with the subject as part of his overall case for conspiracy&lt;br /&gt;because of the "implications". According to Ruppert, the "implications"&lt;br /&gt;are that anyone that suggests that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon,&lt;br /&gt;is then forced to answer the question as to what actually happened to&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77. If that's the case, then we better just wrap up the whole&lt;br /&gt;9/11 Truth Movement and go home and have a beer. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Ruppert&lt;br /&gt;balks at the idea of offering an answer to this question to his readers&lt;br /&gt;because, he claims, most people would be unable to accept it, and, he&lt;br /&gt;suggests, 9/11 researchers serve only to alienate the public support&lt;br /&gt;that they wish to attract by stretching the boundaries of the&lt;br /&gt;collective belief system. What Ruppert doesn't explain is why any&lt;br /&gt;member of the public would happily accept that U.S. government&lt;br /&gt;officials participated in the slaughter of the passengers on Flights 11&lt;br /&gt;and 175 and the occupants of the WTC towers (as he details in his book)&lt;br /&gt;yet would be &lt;em&gt;unable&lt;/em&gt; to accept the idea that the same&lt;br /&gt;government officials played a part in disposing of the passengers of&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77 in a much less imaginative way. Let's be honest here, in the&lt;br /&gt;context of 9/11 being the work of a faction of the US government and&lt;br /&gt;military, the answer to the question as to what happened to Flight 77&lt;br /&gt;if it didn't hit the Pentagon is quite obvious - Flight 77 and its&lt;br /&gt;occupants were flown to a specific destination and â€œdisposed ofâ€ by the&lt;br /&gt;conspirators. That's pretty simple; cut and dried; no need for much&lt;br /&gt;stretching there! But, for some reason, Ruppert (and others affected by&lt;br /&gt;this paramoralism) seems to think that killing thousands of citizens by&lt;br /&gt;crashing airplanes is easier to accept than cold bloodedly murdering&lt;br /&gt;them "in person," as it were. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Since&lt;br /&gt;Ruppert's declaration about the "no plane at the Pentagon" theory, many&lt;br /&gt;other "9/11 researchers", such as Mark Rabinowitz and &lt;a href="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/hoffman_rebuttal.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Jim Hoffman&lt;/a&gt;, have seized upon Ruppert's idea and&lt;br /&gt;even expanded upon it by suggesting that the "no planers" are actually&lt;br /&gt;government agents trying to discredit the REAL 9/11 researchers with&lt;br /&gt;the 'kooky' "no plane" theory. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;In order&lt;br /&gt;to really understand the insidiousness of this patronising claim that&lt;br /&gt;the public could not accept the implications of the idea that a Boeing&lt;br /&gt;757 did not hit the Pentagon, let's look at the "evidence" as presented&lt;br /&gt;by the ATS member that it really was Flight 77 that impacted the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon that bright September morn. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;First,&lt;br /&gt;however, I would like to make a few observations about 9/11 research in&lt;br /&gt;general. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Anyone&lt;br /&gt;who takes on the formidable task of digging into the events of 9/11 is&lt;br /&gt;immediately at a disadvantage because the US government has already&lt;br /&gt;declared the case closed. The government knows how it happened and who&lt;br /&gt;did it and have informed the entire world. As a result, there is no&lt;br /&gt;possibility of access to the raw data, to the crime scene or analyses&lt;br /&gt;of same. Here is where we meet the major obstacle: since the US&lt;br /&gt;government is the prime suspect, we cannot simply take as truth&lt;br /&gt;everything - or anything - that they say in relation to the case. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Investigation&lt;br /&gt;of the 9/11 attacks should be approached like any murder investigation.&lt;br /&gt;When confronted with a murder case (like 9/11) and a suspect that has a&lt;br /&gt;history of deceit and murder (like the US government and its agencies)&lt;br /&gt;and who had an opportunity and a motive to commit the murder, do you&lt;br /&gt;take as fact any claims by the suspect that he did not commit the&lt;br /&gt;murder? Do you seek to fit the facts around his claim that he did not&lt;br /&gt;commit the murder? When you confront evidence that suggests that the&lt;br /&gt;suspect is lying about his account of where he was and what he was&lt;br /&gt;doing, or you find inconsistencies and logistically impossible&lt;br /&gt;scenarios in his account, do you ignore these and focus only on the&lt;br /&gt;fact that he said he did not commit the murder and try to find and&lt;br /&gt;present evidence that backs up his claim to innocence? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The fact&lt;br /&gt;is that researchers coming to the 9/11 investigation after the fact,&lt;br /&gt;and after the case has been officially closed, are not only confronted&lt;br /&gt;with the task of trying to find out what actually happened - they also&lt;br /&gt;face the already well established public belief, by which they&lt;br /&gt;themselves are also influenced, that the official story is the truth.&lt;br /&gt;The best approach for any 9/11 researcher with honest intentions is to,&lt;br /&gt;if possible, wipe from their minds the official version of events and&lt;br /&gt;take the attitude of someone who has just returned from a 5 year trip&lt;br /&gt;to the outer reaches of the solar system, during which time they had no&lt;br /&gt;communication with planet earth. Start with a beginner's mind, turn off&lt;br /&gt;the sound of all the conflicting voices and their claims, and just LOOK&lt;br /&gt;at the evidence without prejudice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Now, if&lt;br /&gt;the person with a truly open mind is given all of the publicly&lt;br /&gt;available evidence and has been additionally furnished with knowledge&lt;br /&gt;of the effects of airplane crashes and that of missile impacts, what&lt;br /&gt;would such a person conclude about the most likely cause of the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon damage? Of course, not all of the evidence was made available&lt;br /&gt;to the public, but there is still sufficient visual evidence from&lt;br /&gt;"ground zero" (both in terms of place and TIME), to form a pretty good&lt;br /&gt;"best guess". For a definitive conclusion to be reached, the "private"&lt;br /&gt;evidence, like the video tapes of the event that the FBI confiscated,&lt;br /&gt;would have to be released, and we don't expect that to happen any time&lt;br /&gt;soon. Of course, the fact that the definitive evidence of the videos&lt;br /&gt;has &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; been released is in itself a key piece of evidence&lt;br /&gt;that suggests that the official story of what hit the Pentagon is not&lt;br /&gt;the real story. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The&lt;br /&gt;purpose of this small introduction is to prepare the reader for the&lt;br /&gt;fact that, in his attempted rebuttal of the no 757 at the Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;theory, the ATS article author, CatHerder, appears to have succumbed to&lt;br /&gt;the influence of the mainstream media shills that have incessantly&lt;br /&gt;parroted the official government story about what happened on 9/11 for&lt;br /&gt;the three years prior to the writing of the article. As such, he has&lt;br /&gt;failed to don the mantle of objective observer of the available&lt;br /&gt;evidence that is so crucial to finding the truth, and instead exerts a&lt;br /&gt;lot of effort to make the available evidence fit the government claim&lt;br /&gt;that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th 2001.&lt;br /&gt;Either that, or he/she is part of the "official government cover-up."&lt;br /&gt;After you read everything below, you can make a call on that one&lt;br /&gt;yourself. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Here is&lt;br /&gt;the ATS article as it appears on the ATS site with my comments&lt;br /&gt;interspersed in blue text. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:16;"  &gt;Evidence&lt;br /&gt;That &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt; Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon on 9/11 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(32, 32, 32);font-family:Verdana;font-size:9;"  &gt;by&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(32, 32, 32);font-family:Verdana;font-size:9;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;"&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;CatHerder&lt;/span&gt;", Member,&lt;br /&gt;AboveTopSecret.com/forum&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(32, 32, 32);font-family:Verdana;font-size:7;"  &gt;September&lt;br /&gt;11th, 2004&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:18;"&gt;Did a 757 hit the Pentagon on&lt;br /&gt;9-11&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;let's&lt;/span&gt; start with the factual&lt;br /&gt;information available on &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;hand.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13;"&gt;The 757-200&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;As&lt;/span&gt; we can see from the freely available&lt;br /&gt;information for the &lt;a href="http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/technical.html" target="_blank"&gt;Boeing 757&lt;/a&gt; (from the Boeing website). The 757 is a&lt;br /&gt;midsized commercial airliner designed for short haul and medium haul&lt;br /&gt;routes (Medium Range Transport (MR-TR)), although since its release,&lt;br /&gt;and the subsequent discovery of the Wake Vortex it leaves behind the&lt;br /&gt;FAA has classified the 757 as a "Heavy" aircraft; the FAA places the&lt;br /&gt;757 in the Geometric Design Classification IV, and an ATC Operation&lt;br /&gt;Class C. (&lt;a href="http://128.173.204.63/courses/cee5614/cee5614_pub/FAA_short_course_prelim.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 757-200 dimensions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tail Height:&lt;/b&gt; 44 ft 6 in (13.6m)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Length:&lt;/b&gt; 155 ft 3 in (47.32m)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Wingspan:&lt;/b&gt; 124 ft 10 in (38.05m)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Body Exterior Width:&lt;/b&gt; 12 ft 4 in (3.7m)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Fuel Capacity:&lt;/b&gt; 11,489 us gal (43,490l / 43,490kg)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Maximum Takeoff weight:&lt;/b&gt; 255,000lb (115,680kg)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Typical Cruise Speed:&lt;/b&gt; 0.80 Mach (573.6mph / 956kmh)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Engines used on a 757:&lt;/b&gt; Two 166.4kN (37,400lb) Rolls-Royce&lt;br /&gt;RB211-535C turbofans, or 178.8kN (40,200lb) RB211-535E4s, or 193.5kN&lt;br /&gt;(43,500lb) RB211-535E4-Bs, or 162.8kN (36,600lb) Pratt &amp; Whitney&lt;br /&gt;PW2037s, or two 178.4kN (40,100lb) PW2040s, or 189.5kN (42,600lb)&lt;br /&gt;PW2043s. &lt;a href="http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=101" target="_blank"&gt;(source1)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flybernhard.de/ueb_eng.htm?http://www.flybernhard.de/b757_e.htm" target="_blank"&gt; (source2)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Auxiliary Power Unit:&lt;/b&gt; Honeywell GTCP331-200&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image002.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 459px; height: 239px;" alt="Image 002" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image002.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1025" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;left&lt;/span&gt; portion: &lt;a href="http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=101" target="_blank"&gt;source1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;right portion: &lt;a href="http://www.boeingphotostore.com/source/Detail.aspx?L1=&amp;amp;L2=&amp;imageId=2472913&amp;amp;action=search&amp;ss=757" target="_blank"&gt;source2&lt;/a&gt; (height and width notation to graphic&lt;br /&gt;added by me)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next, &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;let's&lt;/span&gt; look at the Pentagon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13;"&gt;The Pentagon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Pentagon was designed in the early 40's and was completed in only&lt;br /&gt;16 months on Jan 14, 1943. The shortages of materials required for war&lt;br /&gt;production raised many design and construction problems. The use of&lt;br /&gt;reinforced concrete in lieu of formed steel for the building made&lt;br /&gt;possible a saving of 43,000 tons of steel, more than enough to build a&lt;br /&gt;battleship. The use of concrete ramps rather than elevators further&lt;br /&gt;reduced steel requirements. Drainage pipes were concrete; ducts were&lt;br /&gt;fiber, interior doors were wood. An unusual wall design - concrete&lt;br /&gt;spandrels carried to window sill level - eliminated many miles of&lt;br /&gt;through-wall copper flashing.&lt;a href="http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-features.htm#materials" target="_blank"&gt;(Source1)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pentagon/about.html" target="_blank"&gt;(Source2)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recent &lt;a href="http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-renovation.htm" target="_blank"&gt;renovations and upgrades to the building&lt;/a&gt; were &lt;a href="http://enr.construction.com/news/buildings/archives/030127.asp" target="_blank"&gt;nearing completion&lt;/a&gt; on the side hit on 9-11 and&lt;br /&gt;performed reasonably well considering they were not designed to&lt;br /&gt;withstand aircraft impact. On September 11, when an American Airlines&lt;br /&gt;Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon, home of the U.S. Department of&lt;br /&gt;Defense (&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;DoD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;),&lt;br /&gt;about 20,000 people were at work in this, the largest office building&lt;br /&gt;in the world. Yet according to the &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;DoD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; casualty update on October 1, only 125&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon employees were killed along with the 64 from the fated&lt;br /&gt;airliner. &lt;a href="http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;(&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;source&lt;/span&gt; - Architecture Week)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;The&lt;/span&gt; exterior walls had been reinforced&lt;br /&gt;with steel beams and columns, bolted where they met at each floor. Some&lt;br /&gt;of these reinforced walls very near the point of impact remained in&lt;br /&gt;place for a half hour before collapsing, allowing uncounted hundreds to&lt;br /&gt;escape. "Had we not undertaken this effort," said &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Evey&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;at a &lt;a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t09152001_t915evey.html" target="_blank"&gt;press briefing on September 15&lt;/a&gt;, "this could have&lt;br /&gt;been much, much worse."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I'm sure everyone can agree that the above information is a matter&lt;br /&gt;of public record, and none of it is incorrect, altered, or misquoted in&lt;br /&gt;any way to support either side of the case. It is all merely factual&lt;br /&gt;information that we will refer to in the following sections.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;[Note: I was &lt;u&gt;unintentionally&lt;/u&gt; misleading in a previous post&lt;br /&gt;when I said the Pentagon didn't use a steel beam construction - while&lt;br /&gt;that is still true for the original design, it &lt;u&gt;was&lt;/u&gt; reinforced&lt;br /&gt;in various areas during the upgrades to include steel beams and columns&lt;br /&gt;in some areas of the renovations.]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Quoted from &lt;a href="http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-2.html" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;ArchitectureWeek.com &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;In addition to major overhauls of the mechanical and electrical&lt;br /&gt;systems, the Wedge One renovation included the fire sprinklers,&lt;br /&gt;automatic fire doors, and the steel which saved many lives on the day&lt;br /&gt;of the attack.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The blast-resistant windows were nearly two inches (5 centimeters)&lt;br /&gt;thick. Some of them remain remarkably intact and in place adjacent the&lt;br /&gt;point of impact. Some were popped out of their frames by the force of&lt;br /&gt;the exploding jet fuel, but they fell without breaking or splintering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also on the exterior walls, between the steel columns, the renovation&lt;br /&gt;crew had placed Kevlar cloth, similar to the material used for&lt;br /&gt;bullet-proof vests. This had the effect of holding together building&lt;br /&gt;materials so they wouldn't become deadly projectiles in an explosion. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13;"&gt;Looking At the Big Picture&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From facts contained above, we can all agree that: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;Â·&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The&lt;/span&gt; length of the outside wall on any side of the pentagon is&lt;br /&gt;921 feet. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;Â·&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The&lt;/span&gt; wingspan of a 757 is 124 feet 10 inches. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol;"&gt;Â·&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now&lt;/span&gt;, everyone can agree that 921/125= roughly 7.4 right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image003.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 388px; height: 371px;" alt="image 003" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image003.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1028" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given the size of the 757, and the size of the Pentagon, the damaged&lt;br /&gt;area fits in &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;perfectly&lt;/span&gt; with the dimensions&lt;br /&gt;of both the aircraft and the building. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The above "opening gambit" is very telling since it delivers&lt;br /&gt;hard facts, one after the other, all of which are accurate. It is in&lt;br /&gt;this last statement that the twisting begins. The fact that the length&lt;br /&gt;of the Pentagon is equivalent to 7.4 757's wing to wing, or that the&lt;br /&gt;width of one 757 equals 13.5% of the facade of the Pentagon has no&lt;br /&gt;bearing on the actual damage done. Indeed, given the weight and speed&lt;br /&gt;of the 757 that is alleged to have impacted the building, the actual&lt;br /&gt;damage done to the Pentagon is entirely inconsistent with an aircraft&lt;br /&gt;of the size, weight, and speed of a 757. In other words, the argument&lt;br /&gt;actually supports the "no-Boeing" theory better than it supports&lt;br /&gt;"Flight 77 hit the Pentagon." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Look at the hole in the building&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image004.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 394px; height: 261px;" alt="image 004" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image004.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1026" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is the hole in the building - it's been reported by at least a&lt;br /&gt;dozen different sources (including conspiracy theory sites) to be a 16&lt;br /&gt;to 20 foot hole. That is really interesting when you take into account&lt;br /&gt;the &lt;b&gt;fact&lt;/b&gt; that the 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in&lt;br /&gt;high. (Here is where I was mistaken in the past, like so very many&lt;br /&gt;others I was led astray by &lt;u&gt;the HEIGHT of the aircraft&lt;/u&gt;, which is&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;actually the measurement from the wheels-down to the tip of the&lt;br /&gt;tail&lt;/u&gt;. That measurement is for aircraft hangar clearance, not the&lt;br /&gt;SIZE of the aircraft.) The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet&lt;br /&gt;across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something&lt;br /&gt;around a &lt;b&gt;thirteen foot&lt;/b&gt; hole in the side of the building. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Here is the next twist. The Boeing 757 is not simply a 13ft&lt;br /&gt;wide cylinder; if it were, then the damage to the Pentagon might be&lt;br /&gt;more plausible. The reality, however, is that a Boeing 757 is a 13ft&lt;br /&gt;wide, 155 ft long cylinder with a tail fin that extends 45 ft into the&lt;br /&gt;air. Add to that the fact that there are two &lt;i&gt;6 ton steel engines&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;slung under each wing about 6 feet to each side of the cylinder body.&lt;br /&gt;The wings extend out on each side for 50ft + making for a total&lt;br /&gt;aircraft width of 125 feet, a total length of 155 ft and a maximum&lt;br /&gt;height of 45 ft. It comes as no surprise then that this large&lt;br /&gt;commercial aircraft weighs in at over 90 tons fully loaded.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;On&lt;br /&gt;take off from Washington Dulles airport, Flight 77 weighed&lt;br /&gt;approximately 82 tons. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The above nonsensical argument would have you believe that&lt;br /&gt;the only thing to consider is a "13 ft wide cylinder" that just&lt;br /&gt;magically lost everything else, or that everything else just "folded&lt;br /&gt;up" and flew inside the building plastered to the side of that 13 ft&lt;br /&gt;cylinder. Even if the wings could do that, we are still left with the&lt;br /&gt;two 6 ton engines that were NOT dropped off on the lawn, and which,&lt;br /&gt;together, are as wide as the cylinder body!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image005.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 133px;" alt="image 005" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image005.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1027" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Look at the nose-on view of a 757&lt;/b&gt; - you can see the body&lt;br /&gt;is slightly less than 1/3 the size of the height of the aircraft. The&lt;br /&gt;tail certainly isn't going to punch a hole through a reinforced&lt;br /&gt;concrete wall; that is why there is no 40 foot hole in the front of the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon in any photos. A 40 foot object didn't hit it, a 13 foot&lt;br /&gt;object did. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, this is not JUST a "13ft object" by any stretch of the&lt;br /&gt;imagination. By now it should be obvious that the author is attempting&lt;br /&gt;to subtly manipulate the reader by reducing a large, 82 ton passenger&lt;br /&gt;aircraft to "a 13ft object". &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Think about this. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Is "a 13ft object" a reasonable description of a Boeing 757?&lt;br /&gt;Is it reasonable for the author to reduce a large plane that can carry&lt;br /&gt;up to 200 adult human beings to "a 13ft object"? We could take this&lt;br /&gt;unreasonable definition one step further and flesh out the image that&lt;br /&gt;our author is trying to plant in our heads and say that, according to&lt;br /&gt;our author, the Boeing 757 that he/she alleges hit the Pentagon, was&lt;br /&gt;comparable to a large SUV, or a similar "13ft object". &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;While it is reasonable to state that the tail of a 757 may&lt;br /&gt;not necessarily have punched a hole through the facade of the Pentagon,&lt;br /&gt;can we expect to at least see &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; evidence of the tail&lt;br /&gt;having hit the facade? More than that, we must consider the forward&lt;br /&gt;momentum of those two, inescapable, 6 TON steel engines that were&lt;br /&gt;neither dropped on the lawn, nor were they smashed like pancakes&lt;br /&gt;against the side of the "13 ft cylinder." If I struck the facade of the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon with a sledge hammer, is it reasonable that I would be able to&lt;br /&gt;cause some observable damage? The outer 6 inches of the facade of the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon is made of soft limestone, yet our author sees no problem with&lt;br /&gt;claiming that such a soft surface, when struck by a piece of aircraft&lt;br /&gt;weighing SIX TONS and traveling at hundreds of miles per hour, would in&lt;br /&gt;no way leave any significant and &lt;em&gt;observable&lt;/em&gt; damage.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;p21&gt;&lt;/p21&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;While the "cylinder body" that our author keeps referring to&lt;br /&gt;is indeed 13ft 6in high, he omits the fact that the engines extend &lt;strong&gt;5&lt;br /&gt;feet below the body and over six feet to either side&lt;/strong&gt;, meaning&lt;br /&gt;that, if the aircraft were actually able to successfully fly at just 1&lt;br /&gt;inch above the ground (highly unlikely), the height of the "cylinder&lt;br /&gt;body" above the ground would be at least &lt;i&gt;18 ft 6 inches&lt;/i&gt;! Let us&lt;br /&gt;repeat that: if a Boeing 757 were actually able to fly at just &lt;strong&gt;1&lt;br /&gt;inch &lt;/strong&gt;above the ground, the height of the "13 ft cylinder&lt;br /&gt;body" would be at least 18 feet 6 inches! Now, add to that the fact&lt;br /&gt;that the plane also includes those two bothersome 6 TON engines, AND a&lt;br /&gt;tail fin that protrudes 25 feet above the top of the cylinder body&lt;br /&gt;making for a total aircraft height of just less than &lt;strong&gt;40 feet &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;i&gt;with&lt;br /&gt;wheels up&lt;/i&gt;. Obviously then, we can reasonably expect that the damage&lt;br /&gt;to the facade of the Pentagon would have extended up to this height IF&lt;br /&gt;it was a 757 that hit the building.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;p21&gt;However, according to the official Pentagon report: &lt;/p21&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"The &lt;strong&gt;height&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;of the damage to the facade of the building was much less than the&lt;br /&gt;height of the aircraftâ€™s tail. At approximately 45 ft, the tail height&lt;br /&gt;was nearly as tall as the first four floors of the building. Obvious&lt;br /&gt;visible damage extended only over the lowest two floors, to&lt;br /&gt;approximately 25 ft above grade."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Look at this&lt;br /&gt;close up of the above photo:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111" align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pent_zoom_window/"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 446px; height: 339px;" alt="" /&gt;s.jpg" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pent_zoom_window%5C%3Cbr%20/%3Es.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The top of the&lt;br /&gt;hole in the middle of the white box is at the same level as the top of&lt;br /&gt;the windows of the second floor, or about 23-25 feet from ground. The&lt;br /&gt;three windows above this are the windows of the third floor. The foam&lt;br /&gt;covered window to the top right is the fourth floor. As noted by the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon report, this area (above the center hole) is &lt;i&gt;where the&lt;br /&gt;tail should have struck,&lt;/i&gt; but there is &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; evidence of any&lt;br /&gt;damage that we would expect from such an impact. What's more, the tail&lt;br /&gt;fin was definitely not dropped on the lawn along with the two 6 TON&lt;br /&gt;engines. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Conclusion? The&lt;br /&gt;tail fin of a Boeing 757 did &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; strike this area. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;What does that&lt;br /&gt;suggest? That a Boeing 757 was not involved in the attack. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Is that logical&lt;br /&gt;enough? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;However, from&lt;br /&gt;the point of view of the author on the ATS forum and the U.S.&lt;br /&gt;government, we are not allowed to use such logic. Instead, we must give&lt;br /&gt;in to emotional blackmail and then engage in implausible mental&lt;br /&gt;gymnastics to try to explain how a 757 &lt;i&gt;really could have been&lt;br /&gt;involved&lt;/i&gt; in the Pentagon attack; and all because the US government&lt;br /&gt;says so - a government that has made lies the core aspect of its&lt;br /&gt;domestic and foreign policy from day one. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;In terms of the&lt;br /&gt;damage that should have been caused by the other parts of a 757 (you&lt;br /&gt;know, the large aircraft that our author has reduced to a mere 12ft 4&lt;br /&gt;in wide cylinder), the official &lt;a href="http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;Pentagon Building Performance Report&lt;/a&gt; stated that: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal1111"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"The projected &lt;strong&gt;width&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[of damage to the facade] was approximately 90 ft, which is&lt;br /&gt;substantially less than the 125 ft wingspan of the aircraft"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;p21&gt;&lt;/p21&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Indeed, but there is no explanation of why there is no&lt;br /&gt;damage to the facade where the wings should logically have struck.&lt;br /&gt;Could it be that an aircraft with the wingspan of a 757 was not&lt;br /&gt;involved?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Conspiracy theory? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;No, just the most &lt;em&gt;obvious&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;logical&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;explanation. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The Pentagon report also made note of the fact that: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;p21&gt;&lt;/p21&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"With the possible exception of the immediate vicinity of the&lt;br /&gt;fuselageâ€™s entry point at column line 14, essentially all interior&lt;br /&gt;impact damage was inflicted in the first story: The aircraft seems for&lt;br /&gt;the most part to have &lt;i&gt;slipped between the first-floor slab on grade&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and the second floor."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;That is impossible as the following graphic will show. Note&lt;br /&gt;the pink line, where the "13 ft cylinder" is supposed to have slipped&lt;br /&gt;"under." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/sideview.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 510px; height: 199px;" alt="side view" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/sideview.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/asce_en.htm" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Another 9/11 researcher&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;, who is naturally&lt;br /&gt;skeptical about the claim that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, produced the&lt;br /&gt;above graphic and posed some obvious and logical questions about the&lt;br /&gt;feasibility of the official story quoted above. Given the height of &lt;i&gt;just&lt;br /&gt;the fuselage&lt;/i&gt; (leaving out the 25 feet of tail fin), how is it&lt;br /&gt;possible that the immediate damage and the debris of the plane were&lt;br /&gt;"largely confined to the first floor"? And remember, we are talking&lt;br /&gt;here about a scenario where the plane is flying at &lt;i&gt;just one inch&lt;br /&gt;above the ground&lt;/i&gt;! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;What is more, evidence&lt;br /&gt;from photos of the site show cable spools that were clearly untouched&lt;br /&gt;by any incoming aircraft, suggesting that the aircraft would have to&lt;br /&gt;have been flying &lt;em&gt;above&lt;/em&gt; the maximum height of the spools (some&lt;br /&gt;6 feet) when it hit the Pentagon. In this case, the damage should have&lt;br /&gt;been almost &lt;em&gt;entirely&lt;/em&gt; to the second floor! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Of course, this is not&lt;br /&gt;the case, which leaves us with the logical deduction that it is highly&lt;br /&gt;improbable that a 757 was involved in the attack on the Pentagon, and&lt;br /&gt;that a much smaller and more nimble aircraft was used.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Among those 9/11 researchers that claim that a 757 hit the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon, much is made of the fact that the Pentagon facade was built&lt;br /&gt;with "steel reinforced concrete walls". This fact is used to explain&lt;br /&gt;the extremely limited immediate damage to the Pentagon facade. But how&lt;br /&gt;much credit are we going to give to brick and concrete that has been&lt;br /&gt;reinforced with relatively thin steel bars? Is such a wall&lt;br /&gt;indestructible? If the tail fin and wings of a Boeing 757 traveling at&lt;br /&gt;400mph+ hit such a wall, could we at least expect them to leave a dent?&lt;br /&gt;A little scrape even? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Not at the Pentagon apparently. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Consider the picture below showing the impact hole at the WTC&lt;br /&gt;North Tower:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/wtcimpact.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 480px; height: 312px;" alt="WTC Impact" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/wtcimpact.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The facade of the WTC Towers were made of &lt;a href="http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.htm"&gt;prefabricated steel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;yet as we can see from the imprint of the plane, these steel lattices&lt;br /&gt;were in no way strong enough to stop the massive kinetic energy of the&lt;br /&gt;entire aircraft impacting the building, &lt;em&gt;including&lt;/em&gt; the wings&lt;br /&gt;and tail fin and leaving a roughly 757-shaped hole in the facade. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;To provide a scale reference, a survivor of the initial&lt;br /&gt;impact has been circled in the above photo (click the picture for a&lt;br /&gt;close up). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Given that I am no structural engineer, however, I cannot&lt;br /&gt;make any claims as to the comparative strength of the steel reinforced&lt;br /&gt;brick and concrete walls of the Pentagon versus the steel facade of the&lt;br /&gt;WTC towers and will allow for the idea that the wall of the Pentagon &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;stronger than that of the WTC. We can even theorize that it is due to&lt;br /&gt;this comparative strength difference that there is not a similar&lt;br /&gt;757-shaped gaping hole at the Pentagon. However, as noted, the facade&lt;br /&gt;of the Pentagon was made of soft limestone 6 inches thick. Can &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;explain why a similar shape as that in the picture above does not&lt;br /&gt;appear in the soft limestone facade of the Pentagon? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;p1&gt;&lt;/p1&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;In fact, there appear to be &lt;strong&gt;no&lt;/strong&gt; pictures of&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon facade immediately after the attack that show a clear&lt;br /&gt;picture of the exact extent of the damage. That's because all press&lt;br /&gt;personnel were restricted. We only have photos because a civilian&lt;br /&gt;managed to take them in spite of the "cordon sanitaire." What IS clear&lt;br /&gt;is that, as the Pentagon report noted, the Pentagon facade bears NO&lt;br /&gt;evidence of damage from parts of a 757 at ALL. One notable explanation&lt;br /&gt;for this mysterious lack of damage offered by official government story&lt;br /&gt;enthusiasts is that by some mysterious force of nature, the wings and&lt;br /&gt;tail must have sheared off &lt;em&gt;before &lt;/em&gt;impact. Of course, in such&lt;br /&gt;a case, we would expect to see at least some recognisable debris of the&lt;br /&gt;wings and tail section outside the building. Yet, as anyone who has&lt;br /&gt;carefully inspected the evidence at the scene can attest, there is no&lt;br /&gt;such debris. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pentagon_lawn_de%5C%3Cbr"&gt;bris_free.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 500px; height: 328px;" alt="Lawn debris" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pentagon_lawn_debris_free.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span class="MsoNormal1"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;According to official&lt;br /&gt;story enthusiasts, the complete lack of any debris from the wings that&lt;br /&gt;we are told somehow sheared off, is not a problem: they simply&lt;br /&gt;disintegrated on impact and were rendered little more than confetti&lt;br /&gt;that blew away in the breeze (I kid you not; this was actually&lt;br /&gt;suggested by several "researchers"). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;But in&lt;br /&gt;this unlikely case, how do we explain that the 125 feet long wings of a&lt;br /&gt;757 disintegrated, yet a fairly slender tree standing just a few feet&lt;br /&gt;from the front of the Pentagon - and in the direct path of the alleged&lt;br /&gt;757 - was still standing, albeit severely charred? (Charred tree&lt;br /&gt;branches visible in center of image) What's more, this explanation&lt;br /&gt;completely omits mention of the two six TON engines attached to said&lt;br /&gt;wings. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/penta_tree.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 500px; height: 210px;" alt="Penta Tree" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/penta_tree.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Can we now at least accept as a &lt;em&gt;possibility&lt;/em&gt; the&lt;br /&gt;idea that a 757 was &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; involved in the attack on the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Why is it so difficult for our author to accept this? The&lt;br /&gt;answer would seem to be that since the official government story does&lt;br /&gt;not allow for such a scenario, like all good and obedient citizens, our&lt;br /&gt;author feels compelled to believe what the government says, regardless&lt;br /&gt;of the massive historical evidence showing that, on several occasions&lt;br /&gt;in the past, the U.S. government has allowed, facilitated, or actually&lt;br /&gt;carried out, attacks on its own citizens and interests in order to&lt;br /&gt;achieve some specific goal, usually associated with waging war on other&lt;br /&gt;nations - wars like the 2003 invasion of Iraq that was a direct result&lt;br /&gt;of the 9/11 attacks, including the attack on the Pentagon. Either the&lt;br /&gt;ATS author is such a "good and obedient" citizen, or we must conclude&lt;br /&gt;that said author is an agent of said government.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If we peruse other postings made by the ATS author on the&lt;br /&gt;subject of 9/11 in general, it seems that he/she accepts the idea that&lt;br /&gt;there was some level of complicity in the 9/11 attacks on the part of&lt;br /&gt;the US government. Yet he/she appears to have no problem with using the&lt;br /&gt;claims of the same U.S. government to back up his argument that Flight&lt;br /&gt;77 hit the Pentagon. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;For the record, I have nothing against the US government per&lt;br /&gt;se, and have no desire to accuse the Bush administration or anyone else&lt;br /&gt;unjustly. But in the case of the 911 attacks, there is significant and&lt;br /&gt;compelling evidence to suggest that something is not right with the&lt;br /&gt;official version of events and that members of the US government are&lt;br /&gt;lying about the true nature of those events. In this case, there is a&lt;br /&gt;case to answer, and my sole aim is to get at the truth, whatever that&lt;br /&gt;truth may turn out to be. In pursuing this objective, I will look at&lt;br /&gt;the facts and the facts alone and draw conclusions based on what those&lt;br /&gt;facts suggest, alone.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;At this point, we are approaching the paradox that is at the&lt;br /&gt;heart of the argument of the "no 757 " debunkers. They clearly are well&lt;br /&gt;aware that there is a serious problem with the lack of damage and&lt;br /&gt;debris at the Pentagon, yet that does not deter them from continuing&lt;br /&gt;with their increasingly unbelievable theories in an attempt to prove&lt;br /&gt;that the official government story is correct. At the same time, after&lt;br /&gt;coming up with bizarre explanations for the lack of damage and debris,&lt;br /&gt;they are then forced to deal with the fact that, while the damage to&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon facade is not consistent with the impact of a large&lt;br /&gt;commercial airliner, the damage to the interior of the Pentagon is even&lt;br /&gt;less so.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Now, let's return to the ATS forum post.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image006.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 389px; height: 252px;" alt="image 006" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image006.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1029" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, as I showed earlier: Here is an L1011 (it's a larger plane than a&lt;br /&gt;757 - but the basic design of how a plane body is built is the same)&lt;br /&gt;being scrapped, you can see that almost ALL of the support structure is&lt;br /&gt;in the bottom 2/5 of the plane. This is the part that punched the hole&lt;br /&gt;in the Pentagon, the rest of the thin, hollow, top of the plane just&lt;br /&gt;shredded into chunks, some of which are &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;laying&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;on the lawn and around the rescue vehicles. Most of a commercial&lt;br /&gt;airliner is just a thin aluminum shell, insulation, a thin plastic&lt;br /&gt;inner liner, some carpet and seats. They're designed to be as light as&lt;br /&gt;possible so they can carry more cargo and more people while using less&lt;br /&gt;fuel and at the same time remain "safe".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a given that the majority of mass is going to be in the bottom&lt;br /&gt;half of the aircraft - the primary structure and heaviest parts are all&lt;br /&gt;located there, as is the luggage and any freight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;lets&lt;/span&gt; reinforce this as fact with a&lt;br /&gt;photo of a 757-300 being built. (&lt;i&gt;Remember, the only difference&lt;br /&gt;between a 757-200 and a 757-300 is the length of the body, and the&lt;br /&gt;wings on the 757-300 are reinforced and slightly deeper - the height&lt;br /&gt;and width and wingspan remain identical.&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image007.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 395px; height: 318px;" alt="image 007" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image007.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1030" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Indeed, aircraft like the 757 are made of aluminium, for the&lt;br /&gt;most part, yet that does not take away from the fact that the 757 that&lt;br /&gt;is alleged to have hit the Pentagon was over 80 tons and flying at over&lt;br /&gt;400mph, with two six TON steel engines flanking.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cfm?image_id=104" target="_blank"&gt;(&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;source&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/a&gt; We should also&lt;br /&gt;make a note of the &lt;b&gt;yellow primer used&lt;/b&gt; on the interior of the&lt;br /&gt;rear section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image008.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 391px; height: 403px;" alt="008" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image008.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1031" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This image shows the &lt;b&gt;light green primer&lt;/b&gt; used on the primary&lt;br /&gt;structure components in the 757 (Boeing uses the same yellow primer and&lt;br /&gt;the same green primer on almost every single part of every single 757&lt;br /&gt;and 767 built).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does the &lt;b&gt;green&lt;/b&gt; or &lt;b&gt;yellow&lt;/b&gt; primer have to do with&lt;br /&gt;anything? Well, we'll take a look at the aircraft parts from the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon wreckage photos below.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Are we to assume that Boeing is the only aircraft&lt;br /&gt;manufacturer to use green primer on the shells of its aircraft? Is it&lt;br /&gt;possible that this primer is an aircraft industry standard and that&lt;br /&gt;other aircraft manufactures also use green primer? If so, can the fact&lt;br /&gt;that some small pieces of debris that were found inside the Pentagon be&lt;br /&gt;reasonably touted as evidence that it &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; to be a Boeing 757&lt;br /&gt;that impacted the building? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Here, I direct your attention to the fact that Epoxy Primer&lt;br /&gt;37035A is just exactly that shade of yucky yellow/green. It is&lt;br /&gt;available from &lt;a href="http://www.itlogistics.de/wDeutsch/products/c-8.php" target="_blank"&gt;Aerospace Coatings Akzo Nobel &lt;/a&gt;and is designated&lt;br /&gt;as "Epoxy Primer 37035A (green)" or "Epoxy Primer 37052 (green)". It is&lt;br /&gt;apparently widely used on many types of aircraft.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, we should note that the entire argument of the ATS&lt;br /&gt;author seems to be based on the premise that the official US government&lt;br /&gt;story about what hit the Pentagon MUST BE correct, despite the fact&lt;br /&gt;that he/she ALSO accepts the idea that there was some level of&lt;br /&gt;complicity in the 9/11 attacks on the part of the US government. Again,&lt;br /&gt;that is similar to taking the word of a suspected murderer about the&lt;br /&gt;very murder he is suspected of having committed. It's just not logical.&lt;br /&gt;Could it be that the posts on the ATS forum where "CatHerder" claims to&lt;br /&gt;believe that the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks are&lt;br /&gt;examples of what is known in psychology as "malignant&lt;br /&gt;pseudo-identification"? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Malignant&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;pseudo-identification is the process by which a COINTELPRO agent&lt;br /&gt;consciously imitates or simulates certain behaviors or beliefs in order&lt;br /&gt;to foster the sincere activist's "identification" with him/her, thus&lt;br /&gt;increasing the activist's vulnerability to exploitation. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Activists and those who have altruistic self-concepts are&lt;br /&gt;most vulnerable to malignant pseudo-identification especially during&lt;br /&gt;work with the agent when the interaction includes matter relating to&lt;br /&gt;their competency, autonomy, or knowledge. The goal of the agent is to&lt;br /&gt;increase the activist's general empathy for the agent and ideas the&lt;br /&gt;agent wishes to "plant" through pseudo-identification with the&lt;br /&gt;activist's self-concepts. The most common example of this is the agent&lt;br /&gt;who will compliment the activist for his competency or knowledge or&lt;br /&gt;value to the movement. Another is to declare identification with many&lt;br /&gt;of the ideas of the activist, and then diverge on the one idea that&lt;br /&gt;they have been sent in to debunk. And certainly we can see that the&lt;br /&gt;issue of whether or not Flight 77 struck the Pentagon is just such an&lt;br /&gt;idea that would necessitate major debunking. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ok, but &lt;b&gt;how did a hollow tube, made of mostly &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;aluminium&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;manage&lt;/span&gt; to&lt;br /&gt;punch through the Pentagon?&lt;/b&gt; I'm happy to try to help explain it&lt;br /&gt;with the aid of the good folks at &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Perdue &lt;st1:placetype st="on"&gt;University . We'll get to&lt;br /&gt;that in a moment. &lt;/st1:placetype&gt;&lt;/st1:placename&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;This is a very good question. So which is it? You can make&lt;br /&gt;the argument that a 757 was so flimsy that the Pentagon facade was&lt;br /&gt;relatively undamaged by the impact, or you argue that the weight and&lt;br /&gt;speed of the aircraft was such that it penetrated &lt;b&gt;3 rings&lt;/b&gt; of&lt;br /&gt;the building, but you can't have it both ways! Any theory that attempts&lt;br /&gt;to reconcile these irreconcilable claims is untenable. But that does&lt;br /&gt;not seem to bother our fearless debunker. He/she has already made two&lt;br /&gt;assertions (13 ft cylinder and paint color) that in no way whatsoever&lt;br /&gt;"prove" any case at all, and now, with the help of the "good folks at&lt;br /&gt;Perdue University", our agent - uh, excuse me, author - comes up with a&lt;br /&gt;seriously far out theory to explain how a 757 could have caused the&lt;br /&gt;damage to the interior of the Pentagon in spite of the fact that most&lt;br /&gt;of it "just shredded into chunks" and was scattered all over the lawn. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13;"&gt;Examining Ground&lt;br /&gt;Debris&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Landing Gear Evidence&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rim photographed in the Pentagon wreckage. You can clearly see it is a&lt;br /&gt;double bead design as required by the NTSB, and you can also see it has&lt;br /&gt;had 90% of the rim edge smashed off in the crash.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image009.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 490px; height: 245px;" alt="009" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image009.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1032" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image011.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 490px; height: 228px;" alt="011" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image011.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1033" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some people have tried to claim that the rims are different from a 757&lt;br /&gt;rim - well here (bottom) is a 757-200 rim from an American Airlines&lt;br /&gt;757, I've outlined the exact same symmetrical holes. I think perhaps&lt;br /&gt;some people are thrown off by the balancing led weights attached on the&lt;br /&gt;rims in the bottom photo? Have you never taken your car in for a wheel&lt;br /&gt;alignment and tire balancing? This is clearly the same kind of rim&lt;br /&gt;found on a 757. (The hub-covers/grease-covers are not present for&lt;br /&gt;obvious reasons - to remove one you pop it off with a flathead screw&lt;br /&gt;driver... so how would you expect it to stay on in a 400mph impact with&lt;br /&gt;a reinforced concrete wall?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;While we agree that the wheel rim from the Pentagon appears&lt;br /&gt;to be the same as that of a Boeing 757, we need to look at the "wheel&lt;br /&gt;rim" evidence firstly in the context of a massive government conspiracy&lt;br /&gt;on 9/11, and secondly in context of the other - overwhelming - evidence&lt;br /&gt;that points to something &lt;em&gt;other than a 757 &lt;/em&gt;having hit the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Taking these facts into consideration and the evidence for a&lt;br /&gt;general 9/11 government conspiracy, is it not plausible that the&lt;br /&gt;conspirators just might have "planted" evidence at some point in the&lt;br /&gt;operation? After all, if CatHerder grants the possibility of a&lt;br /&gt;government conspiracy and cover-up, why does he/she draw the line at&lt;br /&gt;the planting of evidence? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Keep in mind that there are very few available photos of&lt;br /&gt;aircraft debris inside the Pentagon: a wheel rim and a landing gear&lt;br /&gt;strut, and an engine combustion chamber. The wheel rim was in the &lt;i&gt;non-renovated&lt;br /&gt;Wedge 2 by the AE drive hole&lt;/i&gt;. And despite the assertions of the&lt;br /&gt;author of the ATS post, without expert analysis, no one can say that&lt;br /&gt;the few recognizable airplane parts are unequivocally from a 757. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Landing gear strut - appears to be from the nose gear -&lt;br /&gt;note how &lt;a href="http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/EDL/publications/reprints/flash.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;charred&lt;/a&gt; the area around it is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image012.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 450px; height: 337px;" alt="012" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image012.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1034" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;This landing gear strut is inadmissible as evidence given the&lt;br /&gt;fact that the CatHerder does not claim to be an expert on landing gear&lt;br /&gt;and cannot verify from which aircraft this landing gear comes. As such,&lt;br /&gt;it could be the landing gear strut from any number of aircraft.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The next photo is from the cover from one of the conspiracy sites&lt;br /&gt;that demands "where is the plane?"- &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;they&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;must not have looked very hard, there are 2 obvious chunks of it in the&lt;br /&gt;photo. &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Another rim from the airplane on the right,&lt;br /&gt;and a large chunk of bulkhead on the left.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image013.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 450px; height: 470px;" alt="013" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image013.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1035" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again the alleged "evidence" of debris from a Boeing 757 in&lt;br /&gt;the above pictured debris is inconclusive. The fact that the ATS author&lt;br /&gt;claims categorically that there is "&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;a large chunk&lt;br /&gt;of bulkhead on the left&lt;/span&gt;" is somewhat comical given his/her&lt;br /&gt;admitted lack of expertise in positively identifying charred remains of&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; aircraft let alone a Boeing 757. We should note that we&lt;br /&gt;are not saying that "no plane" hit the Pentagon, we are simply saying&lt;br /&gt;that the damage and debris is inconsistent with a Boeing 757.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Below: More parts from inside the 757 - note the Boeing green&lt;br /&gt;primer on 3 parts in this photo - two circled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image014.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 490px; height: 368px;" alt="014" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image014.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1036" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, for anyone, let alone an amateur like CatHerder, to&lt;br /&gt;claim that they can positively identify debris from a Boeing 757 from&lt;br /&gt;these mangled pieces of material raises questions about the integrity&lt;br /&gt;and impartiality of said individual. Can "CatHerder" be sure that these&lt;br /&gt;greenish pieces of material are not from some part of the inside of the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon or from another type of aircraft? The very fact that all of&lt;br /&gt;these parts and bits of "evidence" were NOT trotted out by the&lt;br /&gt;government and put on display for the public and experts to examine is&lt;br /&gt;more indication that if they had been, someone would have recognized&lt;br /&gt;them as something else entirely.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;No official explanation for the above hole in ring C has &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;been put forward, and the ATS author studiously ignores this fact. The&lt;br /&gt;official Pentagon building performance report simply states that:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"There&lt;br /&gt;was a hole in the east wall of ring C, emerging into AE Drive, between&lt;br /&gt;column lines 5 and 7 in Wedge 2. The wall failure was approximately 310&lt;br /&gt;ft from where the fuselage of the aircraft entered the west wall of the&lt;br /&gt;building..."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;That's it. The fact that whatever came out through this hole&lt;br /&gt;is essentially the object that hit the Pentagon and did the major part&lt;br /&gt;of the damage is apparently not deemed important enough, either by the&lt;br /&gt;US government or CatHerder, to deserve comment. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The fact is that the above image showing the round hole that&lt;br /&gt;was left in ring C is one of the most intriguing aspects of the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon attack. While we might assume that it is unofficially claimed&lt;br /&gt;that one of the engines of Flight 77 made this hole (the engine being&lt;br /&gt;the only part of a 757 that could possibly be strong enough to pass&lt;br /&gt;through three rings of the Pentagon, never mind that it left no&lt;br /&gt;evidence of its entry on the exterior of the building), as we have&lt;br /&gt;seen, a disk that is verifiably part of the engine of the aircraft that&lt;br /&gt;hit the Pentagon was found &lt;em&gt;at the front&lt;/em&gt; of the building, &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;in the third ring. This fact strongly suggests that the engine that the&lt;br /&gt;disk came from was destroyed in the initial blast at the &lt;em&gt;front of&lt;br /&gt;the building&lt;/em&gt;. It is highly unlikely therefore that an engine of&lt;br /&gt;the plane that hit the Pentagon punched out this hole. Whatever the&lt;br /&gt;object was, it had enough force to breach the main reinforced steel&lt;br /&gt;concrete outer wall and then travel some 250 feet, &lt;i&gt;passing through&lt;br /&gt;five other double-brick walls on the way&lt;/i&gt;. Terry Mitchell, Chief of&lt;br /&gt;the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs) was&lt;br /&gt;one of the first on the scene at this â€œpunch outâ€ point. In a &lt;a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t09152001_t915evey.html"&gt;DOD&lt;br /&gt;news briefing&lt;/a&gt; about the reconstruction of the Pentagon he stated:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œThis&lt;br /&gt;is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect that this was where&lt;br /&gt;a part of the aircraft came through this hole, although &lt;b&gt;I didnâ€™t&lt;br /&gt;see any evidence of the aircraft down there.â€&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Indeed, it just &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; have been where part of the&lt;br /&gt;aircraft came out, yet there was &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; evidence of any part of&lt;br /&gt;an aircraft that could have made the hole! Never mind that CatHerder&lt;br /&gt;has just told us about all the evidence of the aircraft that is just&lt;br /&gt;laying all around! Later in the same briefing when referring to the&lt;br /&gt;same hole Mitchell must have realised his mistake and stated:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œThis&lt;br /&gt;pile here is all Pentagon metal. None of that is aircraft whatsoever.&lt;br /&gt;As you can see, theyâ€™ve punched a hole in here. This was punched by the&lt;br /&gt;rescue workers to clean it outâ€. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;So which was it? Was the hole punched out by some part of the&lt;br /&gt;aircraft or by rescue workers? Was the pile of stuff aircraft debris,&lt;br /&gt;as CatHerder claims, or was it "all Pentagon metal" as Terry Mitchell&lt;br /&gt;says? Look again at the picture of the hole. We donâ€™t need the&lt;br /&gt;contradictory statements of Mr. Mitchell to conclude that, due to the&lt;br /&gt;fact that the debris is on the outside of the building, the hole was&lt;br /&gt;punched out from the inside, yet how could it have been â€œpunched outâ€&lt;br /&gt;by rescue workers when there are scorch marks at the top of the hole on&lt;br /&gt;the outside? Did the rescue workers punch out this hole when the fire&lt;br /&gt;was still raging inside? Hardly likely. Limiting air flow is part of&lt;br /&gt;fighting a fire. You donâ€™t make holes to let in more air while you are&lt;br /&gt;trying to extinguish a fire.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Dare we suggest that the OASD chief was lying that day? That&lt;br /&gt;he changed his story because the â€œofficialâ€ version of events did not&lt;br /&gt;include the idea that part of the aircraft made that hole, because it&lt;br /&gt;is &lt;em&gt;inconceivable&lt;/em&gt; that any part of a 757 could have done so?&lt;br /&gt;If so, then a government official is on record as having lied about the&lt;br /&gt;events at the Pentagon, yet such does not dissuade CatHerder from&lt;br /&gt;trying to convince the public that the official government story about&lt;br /&gt;the strike on the Pentagon is correct.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Below, another photo of a tire with the same&lt;br /&gt;pattern as ones used on a 757, found in the Pentagon wreckage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image015.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 463px; height: 337px;" alt="015" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image015.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1037" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, for anyone to present a grainy picture of something&lt;br /&gt;that vaguely resembles a tyre and then claim that this is a &lt;em&gt;positive&lt;br /&gt;ID&lt;/em&gt; of the wheel of a Boeing 757 simply gives us further cause to&lt;br /&gt;believe that CatHerder either has an agenda about which he/she is not&lt;br /&gt;being honest, or is so invested in his/her need to prove the government&lt;br /&gt;story correct that he/she has lost any hope of being objective about&lt;br /&gt;his/her analysis of the evidence. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Engine Evidence&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Letâ€™s take a look at some of the ground debris that appears to be&lt;br /&gt;related to an aircraft engine. Many different sites and posts have&lt;br /&gt;reported that the 757 uses Rolls-Royce engines [RB211-535E4B] - however&lt;br /&gt;it should be noted, for the sake of &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;thoroughness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(ibid), that American Airlines also use Pratt &amp; &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Witney&lt;/span&gt; engines [PW2037] in many of their 757&lt;br /&gt;fleet. You can also &lt;a href="http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/ourPlanes/boeing757.jhtml" target="_blank"&gt;view this information on their website&lt;/a&gt;. (The 757&lt;br /&gt;fleets around the world actually use over six different kinds of&lt;br /&gt;engines.) The 757 that is reported to have hit the Pentagon was using&lt;br /&gt;RB211-535E4B engines.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;is are&lt;/span&gt; photos of some apparent engine&lt;br /&gt;parts from the Pentagon crash site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image017.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 490px; height: 498px;" alt="017" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image017.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1038" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Image portion cropped from &lt;a href="http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/high/va_pentagon_0901_135.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;(source)&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href="http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photodata/high/va_pentagon_0901_136.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;Another View&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is seen in this photo is most likely the APU (Aux Power Unit) used&lt;br /&gt;in a 757 that is equipped with Rolls-Royce RB211 engines. The APU&lt;br /&gt;(Honeywell GTCP331-200) is located in the tail section of the aircraft&lt;br /&gt;(that's what the large vent that looks like a 3rd jet engine is) as &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;edvidenced&lt;/span&gt; (ibid) on this &lt;a href="http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/arff/arff757.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;technical rescue reference aid&lt;/a&gt; from Boeing. &lt;a href="http://www.757.org.uk/limits/lim4.html" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Boeing 757 reference website&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; These small turbine engines are quite common on&lt;br /&gt;modern turbine &amp; turbofan passenger aircraft, and are used to&lt;br /&gt;furnish ground &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;auxillary&lt;/span&gt; power while the&lt;br /&gt;main engines are shut down during ground operations. &lt;a href="http://www.artietheairplane.com/main.html" target="_blank"&gt;An&lt;br /&gt;online training aid&lt;/a&gt; lets you Play around with the controls on a&lt;br /&gt;757/767 instrument &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;pannel&lt;/span&gt; (ibid).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The reader will notice in the above something that CatHerder&lt;br /&gt;does repeatedly throughout his/her analysis. When presenting his/her&lt;br /&gt;argument he/she pads out the point being made with additional&lt;br /&gt;information that is often &lt;i&gt;irrelevant to the point&lt;/i&gt; being made,&lt;br /&gt;but which is included, it seems, to create the impression that the&lt;br /&gt;point being made is well-researched or "factual". For example, &lt;i&gt;what&lt;br /&gt;does a link to an online pilot training aid that lets you play around&lt;br /&gt;with a 757 instrument panel have to do with identifying the disk in the&lt;br /&gt;above picture?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There have been some people who claim that a Global Hawk&lt;br /&gt;was what hit the Pentagon. Here is what John W. Brown, spokesman for&lt;br /&gt;Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had to say about the part in the photo&lt;br /&gt;above &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;'It&lt;/span&gt; is not a part from any Rolls&lt;br /&gt;Royce engine that &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;I'm&lt;/span&gt; familiar with, and &lt;b&gt;certainly&lt;br /&gt;not the AE 3007H&lt;/b&gt; made here in &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Indy.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Of course it wouldn't be anything he's familiar with, it's a &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;powerplant&lt;/span&gt; made by Honeywell.) The AE 3007&lt;br /&gt;engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna Citation; &lt;b&gt;the&lt;br /&gt;AE 3007H is also used in the &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;military's&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;unmanned aircraft, the Global Hawk&lt;/b&gt;. The Global Hawk is manufactured&lt;br /&gt;by Northrop &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Grumman's&lt;/span&gt; subsidiary Ryan&lt;br /&gt;Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July 1999. &lt;a href="http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/gallery/defence/lrg_ae3007_6.htm" target="_blank"&gt;A detailed view of what the turbofan that powers the&lt;br /&gt;Global Hawk looks like&lt;/a&gt; - I'm sure you can see it's &lt;b&gt;too small&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;to be anything in the pictures contained here or anywhere else in the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon crash evidence. &lt;i&gt;Also visible in this photo, one of the&lt;br /&gt;757's blue passenger seats to the left of the turbine, and possibly a&lt;br /&gt;2nd seat above the other seat.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again CatHerder reveals his/her possible agenda by selective&lt;br /&gt;quoting (and without references) in the above paragraph. First of all,&lt;br /&gt;the comments by Rolls Royce spokesman John Brown are taken from an &lt;i&gt;American&lt;br /&gt;Free Press&lt;/i&gt; article written by Christopher Bollyn. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Bollyn undertook the task of trying to find out what exactly&lt;br /&gt;the disk in the above photo was. He called Honeywellâ€™s Aerospace&lt;br /&gt;division in Phoenix, Ariz., where the GTCP331-200 APU used on the 757&lt;br /&gt;aircraft is made: â€œThereâ€™s no way thatâ€™s an APU wheelâ€, an expert at&lt;br /&gt;Honeywell told AFP. The expert, who cannot be named, added: â€œThat&lt;br /&gt;turbine discâ€”thereâ€™s no way in the world that came out of an APUâ€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The first point then is that &lt;i&gt;an expert form Honeywell&lt;br /&gt;that makes the APU for the 757 has stated categorically that the APU&lt;br /&gt;wheel in the photo is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; from a 757.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;As mentioned by CatHerder, Bollyn then contacted John W.&lt;br /&gt;Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), asking if the disk was&lt;br /&gt;from a Rolls Royce manufactured engine, perhaps the AE3007H used in the&lt;br /&gt;Global Hawk. Brownâ€™s response was:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œIt is&lt;br /&gt;not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that Iâ€™m familiar with, and&lt;br /&gt;certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.â€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Next Bollyn called Pratt &amp; Whitney who manufactures&lt;br /&gt;parts of the 757â€™s turbofan jet engines: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œIf&lt;br /&gt;the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a Boeing 757-200 owned by&lt;br /&gt;American Airlines, then it would have to be a Rolls Royce engineâ€, Mark&lt;br /&gt;Sullivan, spokesman for Pratt &amp;amp; Whitney, told AFP.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;So we have another spokesman for Pratt and Whitney, who,&lt;br /&gt;along with Rolls Royce, manufacture parts of the 757s main engines (not&lt;br /&gt;the APU), who has contradicted John Brown of Rolls Royce by saying that&lt;br /&gt;the part MUST be from a Rolls Royce engine, which includes the&lt;br /&gt;possibility that it was the AE 3007H which is the engine in a Global&lt;br /&gt;Hawk, yet it is NOT the GTCP331-200 which is the APU used on the Boeing&lt;br /&gt;757 as stated by the Honeywell expert. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Bollyn then contacted John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls&lt;br /&gt;Royce once more, to inform him that the Pratt &amp; Whitney&lt;br /&gt;spokesperson had stated that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce&lt;br /&gt;engine. At this point Brown balked and asked who at Pratt &amp;amp; Whitney&lt;br /&gt;had provided the information.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Asked again if the disc in the photo was a piece of a Rolls&lt;br /&gt;Royce RB211-535, or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not&lt;br /&gt;answer. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Bollyn then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the&lt;br /&gt;parts of an AE 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: â€œNoâ€, Brown&lt;br /&gt;said. â€œI donâ€™t build the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I&lt;br /&gt;speak for the company.â€&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the Rolls Royce spokesman that CatHerder quotes as an expert on the&lt;br /&gt;evidence that the disk in the photo cannot be from a Global Hawk has&lt;br /&gt;stated that he is not familiar with the parts of the Global Hawk engine&lt;br /&gt;and is therefore not qualified to make any statement about the origins&lt;br /&gt;of the the wheel in the photo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;We are left then with the likelihood that the disk in the&lt;br /&gt;photo IS from a Rolls Royce engine, but NOT from the APU of the 757 as&lt;br /&gt;stated by the Honeywell expert. Could it then be a part of one of the&lt;br /&gt;main engines of a 757? By all accounts it is far too small to be the&lt;br /&gt;disk from one of the 757's main engines, given that they are between 6&lt;br /&gt;and 7 ft in diameter. The disk on the AE 3007H however is a little over&lt;br /&gt;3 ft in diameter, and despite what CatHerder says, the disk in the&lt;br /&gt;photo is a very good match for that of a AE 3007H, the engine used on a&lt;br /&gt;Global Hawk but never on a Boeing 757. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Bollyn states:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Rolls&lt;br /&gt;Royce produces the RB211-535 (main) engines for American Airlines&lt;br /&gt;757-200 aircraft at a plant in Derby, England. Martin Johnson, head of&lt;br /&gt;communications at Rolls Royce in Derby, said he had followed the story&lt;br /&gt;closely in American Free Press and had also been notified in advance by&lt;br /&gt;Rolls Royce offices in Seattle and Indianapolis. However, rather than&lt;br /&gt;address the question of the unidentified disc, Johnson launched a&lt;br /&gt;verbal attack on this reporter for questioning the government version&lt;br /&gt;of events at the Pentagon on 9-11. â€˜You are the only person in the&lt;br /&gt;world who does not believe that a 757 hit the Pentagonâ€™, Johnson said.&lt;br /&gt;â€˜The idea that we can have a reasonable conversation is beyond your&lt;br /&gt;wildest dreamsâ€™, Johnson said and hung up the phone.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;While there can be no definitive statements made on the&lt;br /&gt;matter, the available evidence would seem to suggest that the engine&lt;br /&gt;disk in the FEMA photos is probably too small to be part of a 757&lt;br /&gt;engine and, contrary to what CatHerder states, according to the&lt;br /&gt;Honeywell expert that makes the APU for the 757, it is definitely &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a part of a 757â€™s APU. So what is it? It could very well be part of a&lt;br /&gt;Global Hawk AE3007H engine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"&gt;Back to our ATS author:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Below is a significant portion of a badly smashed RB211 engine in&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon wreckage - what appears to be the &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;diffusor&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;section of the compressor, one of the pumps remains partially attached,&lt;br /&gt;some hoses and the familiar webbed wire wraps (to the right of the main&lt;br /&gt;ring) and some of the Boeing yellow primed support structure is lying&lt;br /&gt;beside it (left, with rivets - again: note the yellow primer, we'll&lt;br /&gt;cover that further down). Reference: Image of the engine used on the&lt;br /&gt;757 (it's the rightmost one, top row) &lt;a href="http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/gallery/civil/lrg_civfam.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Rolls-Royce&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image019.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 476px; height: 317px;" alt="019" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image019.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1039" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Yet again our non-expert author presents photographs of&lt;br /&gt;mangled pieces of debris and asserts categorically that they are parts&lt;br /&gt;from a 757 engine. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;In this case, we are provided with a link to a picture of a&lt;br /&gt;757 engine without its casing from which our author can apparently&lt;br /&gt;quite easily identify things like the "&lt;span class="SpellE1"&gt;diffusor&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;section of the compressor" and "one of the pumps" and "some hoses and&lt;br /&gt;the familiar webbed wire wraps". &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Ah yes! Those familiar webbed wire wraps, known and loved in&lt;br /&gt;every household across the country! The photo below is the reference&lt;br /&gt;that our author has used to positively match the mangled and burnt&lt;br /&gt;debris above. Well? Can't you see it?! It's right there!! &lt;em&gt;Clearly&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the debris above is the &lt;em&gt;very same &lt;/em&gt;757 engine in the photo&lt;br /&gt;below! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;No? Well, obviously you just don't trust enough in the word&lt;br /&gt;of the US government and its agent, CatHerder. If you did, you would be&lt;br /&gt;able to see the truth straight away. (End sarcasm.) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/rolls_engine.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 383px; height: 345px;" alt="Rolls Engine" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/rolls_engine.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image021.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 350px; height: 514px;" alt="021" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image021.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1040" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another engine part, bottom right.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, for the author, in his/her non-expert opinion, to&lt;br /&gt;declare that the circular piece of debris in the above photo is&lt;br /&gt;"another engine part" is either evidence of extreme subjectivity or a&lt;br /&gt;deliberate attempt to mislead the reader. We are beginning to think it&lt;br /&gt;is the latter.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Below: Evidence of the right engine impact on the side of&lt;br /&gt;the building is evident on the large pillar being sprayed with fire&lt;br /&gt;retardant. (&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;click&lt;/span&gt; photo for huge version)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 130px;" alt="022" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image022.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1041" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;At this point, CatHerder's sweeping statements about damage&lt;br /&gt;to the Pentagon and what caused it are getting to be somewhat farcical.&lt;br /&gt;In this case, as in almost every statement made by the him/her so far,&lt;br /&gt;the claim is spurious to say the least. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Click on the link to view a larger version of the photo. You&lt;br /&gt;will see that the chunk of masonry that is missing is a the level of&lt;br /&gt;the second floor windows in the Pentagon. If, as CatHerder states, the&lt;br /&gt;engine of a 757 did this damage then the nose of the plane would have&lt;br /&gt;impacted several feet higher around the middle of the second floor. Yet&lt;br /&gt;CatHerder sees no problem with making such a claim while at the same&lt;br /&gt;time presenting photographs that show clearly that whatever hit the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon struck the facade at the level of the first floor! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, we realize that we have been dazzled with more photos&lt;br /&gt;and more unsubstantiated claims.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;The hit &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;lightpoles&lt;/span&gt;, and&lt;br /&gt;damaged vehicles in the &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;flightpath&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(click for larger images)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 130px;" alt="023" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image023.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1042" /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1-1.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 130px;" alt="024" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image024.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1043" /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/2.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 130px;" alt="025" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image025.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1044" /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.clarkairbasek9.com/pent12.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 100px; height: 75px;" alt="026" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image026.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1045" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Indeed, damaged light poles, but was it a 757 that did this&lt;br /&gt;damage or another type of craft? We aren't saying that a plane did not&lt;br /&gt;hit the Pentagon. Hardly anyone IS saying that. The only thing at issue&lt;br /&gt;is what KIND of plane was it? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;The debris field of small chunks of plane&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;witnesses said debris "rained down for minutes after the crash". (click&lt;br /&gt;for larger images)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/11.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 131px;" alt="027" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image027.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1046" /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/12.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 131px;" alt="028" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image028.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1047" /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 200px; height: 114px;" alt="029" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image029.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1048" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, (and we are sure you are getting tired of this by now)&lt;br /&gt;the debris in the upper photos is extremely small and most likely to be&lt;br /&gt;masonry from the facade of the Pentagon rather than "small chunks of&lt;br /&gt;plane" as CatHerder states. Note yet again that he (or she) is making&lt;br /&gt;sweeping assertions without providing any evidence at all for any of&lt;br /&gt;his/her claims! Somehow, probably due to the abundance of photos and&lt;br /&gt;the authoritative writing style that has very little content, many&lt;br /&gt;people actually accept this bit of what can only be called "yellow&lt;br /&gt;journalism" as a serious debunking of the "No Boeing" idea! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;As noted by Thierry Meyssan in his book &lt;em&gt;Pentagate&lt;/em&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;even the American government has refused to recognise that the infamous&lt;br /&gt;piece of debris in the lower photo on the left above is a part of the&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77, yet CatHerder sagely affirms that it is, without doubt, a&lt;br /&gt;piece of Flight 77. As for the "eyewitnesses" statements that debris&lt;br /&gt;"rained down for minutes after the crash", we do not doubt that it did,&lt;br /&gt;but that has little or no bearing on our investigation into whether&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, or whether it was something else. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;[Deleted part of CatHerder's analysis of the size of the&lt;br /&gt;infamous "piece of plane" given that the point has already been made&lt;br /&gt;that the US government officially disowns this as a part of Flight 77.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Even the &lt;a href="http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/14_APboxes.html" target="_blank"&gt;black boxes&lt;/a&gt; have been recovered, the reason given&lt;br /&gt;for not playing the flight voice recorder for the media was that it&lt;br /&gt;wouldn't serve any use other than to cause more emotional pain to&lt;br /&gt;family members (I agree with them frankly).&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Well, again CatHerder is being disingenuous.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Flight data recorders were found at the Pentagon on September&lt;br /&gt;14th 2001. On Feb. 25, 2002, FBI Director Robert Mueller stated that&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77's data recorder provided altitude, speed, headings and other&lt;br /&gt;information, but the voice recorder contained nothing useful. [CBS]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Later, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said that &lt;i&gt;the data&lt;br /&gt;on the cockpit voice data recorder was unrecoverable&lt;/i&gt;. No further&lt;br /&gt;explanation was given for these contradictory statements. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If the&lt;br /&gt;cockpit voice data really was unrecoverable, it would be the first time&lt;br /&gt;in aviation history a solid-state data recorder (the type used on&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77) was unrecoverable after a crash. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;From a&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scientific American&lt;/em&gt; feature article lauding the "Better&lt;br /&gt;Black Box" in their [WWW] &lt;a href="http://sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0003BC0F-DDD0-1C73-9B81809EC588EF21&amp;pageNumber=1&amp;amp;catID=2" target="_blank"&gt;September 2000 issue&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Nearly&lt;br /&gt;100,000 flight recorders have been installed in commercial aircraft&lt;br /&gt;over the past four decades. The prices of the latest models generally&lt;br /&gt;range from $10,000 to $20,000. Their survival rate has greatly improved&lt;br /&gt;in recent years as the FAA has raised the certification requirements.&lt;br /&gt;Although older recorders using magnetic tape were susceptible to fire&lt;br /&gt;damage, no solid-state device has been destroyed in an accident to&lt;br /&gt;date. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Lawyers&lt;br /&gt;representing 9/11 victim families are attempting to use the Freedom of&lt;br /&gt;Information Act to obtain transcripts of the black-box data. See [WWW] &lt;a href="http://www.tomflocco.com/Lawyers_seek_black_boxs.htm" target="_blank"&gt;9/11 Lawyers Seek Black-Box Data on Saudi Hijackers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;by Tom Flocco, which indicates the FBI are obstructing the NTSB review&lt;br /&gt;of the black box data. [&lt;a href="http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml" target="_blank"&gt;Flight 77 Black Boxes&lt;/a&gt;] &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;So we see it was not the case that &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; the public&lt;br /&gt;did not get to hear what was on the data recorders, the families of the&lt;br /&gt;victims have been left out in the cold too. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;So much for wanting to prevent emotional pain! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Of&lt;br /&gt;course, as Flight 77 was not the plane involved in the Pentagon Attack,&lt;br /&gt;its black boxes would presumably show that, and the government would be&lt;br /&gt;very reluctant to allow the data to be examined, or allow the NTSB to&lt;br /&gt;carry out the investigation of the crash that is required by law. [&lt;a href="http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight77BlackBoxes.shtml" target="_blank"&gt;Flight 77 Black Boxes&lt;/a&gt;] &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;As an interesting aside on the black boxes, Allyn E.&lt;br /&gt;Kilsheimer is the CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, the company&lt;br /&gt;responsible for rebuilding the Pentagon under the Phoenix Project. He&lt;br /&gt;was the head structural engineer on the rebuilding project and the&lt;br /&gt;first structural engineer to arrive at the scene (at the request of the&lt;br /&gt;DOD by the way). He stated:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"I&lt;br /&gt;saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked&lt;br /&gt;up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my&lt;br /&gt;hand the tail section of the plane, and &lt;b&gt;I found the black box&lt;/b&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane&lt;br /&gt;wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held&lt;br /&gt;parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts.&lt;br /&gt;Okay?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Of course, the idea that we should give any credit to the&lt;br /&gt;words of someone who was immediately called by the Pentagon to come and&lt;br /&gt;"assess the damage" and who went on to make millions from the&lt;br /&gt;reconstruction project is laughable. Kilsheimer was also the&lt;br /&gt;"government's man" at the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing and the&lt;br /&gt;first WTC bombing. Coincidence?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it doesn't end there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kilsheimer claimed that he "found the black box" on the afternoon of&lt;br /&gt;9/11. The only problem with this statement is that it is an out and out&lt;br /&gt;lie, and verifiably so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From &lt;a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/" target="_blank"&gt;MSNBC:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"Carlton&lt;br /&gt;Burkhammer was at work at Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Station 14&lt;br /&gt;when he heard about the World Trade Center crashes. Part of Fairfax&lt;br /&gt;Countyâ€™s elite urban search and rescue team, Burkhammer prepared to&lt;br /&gt;suit up and head to New York City. One of the nationâ€™s most experienced&lt;br /&gt;rescue teams, the squad had been deployed in disasters all over the&lt;br /&gt;world: Oklahoma City, embassy bombings, the Turkey earthquake. [...]&lt;br /&gt;Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another&lt;br /&gt;firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the&lt;br /&gt;impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two&lt;br /&gt;spotted an intact seat from the planeâ€™s cockpit with a chunk of the&lt;br /&gt;floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about&lt;br /&gt;1.5 by 2 feet long."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Yet again we have &lt;i&gt;a government agent openly and PROVABLY&lt;br /&gt;lying about the events surrounding the attack on the Pentagon&lt;/i&gt;, but&lt;br /&gt;that again does not give CatHerder any pause for thought before&lt;br /&gt;trumpeting the official story as the truth. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image035.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 408px; height: 319px;" alt="35" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image035.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1054" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Area of fence to the right of the impact area&lt;br /&gt;partially flattened by the right engine of the plane.&lt;/span&gt; Note how a&lt;br /&gt;couple of the poles are bent right over, some are sheered off at the&lt;br /&gt;top, yet the pole and fence portion on the left is untouched (obviously&lt;br /&gt;the right engine took out the fence to the right of those poles) and&lt;br /&gt;the entire back side of the fence has been torn away. The generator was&lt;br /&gt;hit by the right wing and engine before the 757 hit the building - the&lt;br /&gt;damage is evidenced by &lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/8.jpg"&gt;other photos&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;of the crash area.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Closeup&lt;/span&gt; of generator smashed in the front&lt;br /&gt;and gouged on the top - hard to image a missile accomplishing both of&lt;br /&gt;these. But if the right engine of a 757 hit the front of the generator,&lt;br /&gt;part of the wing could gouge the top. At the very least, something very&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;large,&lt;/span&gt; and very heavy smashed into this&lt;br /&gt;extremely heavy &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;desil&lt;/span&gt; generator.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image036.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 324px; height: 234px;" alt="36" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image036.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1055" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/17.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 100px; height: 150px;" alt="037" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image037.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1056" /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Click the image on the left to view a large top-down image of the&lt;br /&gt;impact area, including the large &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;desil&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(sic) generator which is visibly damaged, and actually spun ~45 degrees&lt;br /&gt;from the impact! Most importantly &lt;b&gt;it is spun ~45 degrees &lt;i&gt;towards&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the building&lt;/b&gt; - if this was a missile or a bomb, the explosion could&lt;br /&gt;ONLY have spun it &lt;b&gt;away&lt;/b&gt; from the building.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image038.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 398px; height: 399px;" alt="038" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image038.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1057" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;In the immediate aftermath of the Pentagon attack, the&lt;br /&gt;Associated Press reported that a &lt;a href="http://history.amedd.army.mil/memoirs/soldiers/responding.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;truck bomb had exploded&lt;/a&gt; at the Pentagon. There&lt;br /&gt;were other reports that a &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550486,00.html" target="_blank"&gt;helicopter had exploded&lt;/a&gt;. It certainly seems likely&lt;br /&gt;then that &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; exploded in the vicinity of the Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;before the main impact. As noted by CatHerder, there was a diesel&lt;br /&gt;generator stationed just to the right of the impact point in front of&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon that was part of the Pentagon refurbishment project.&lt;br /&gt;Diesel generators usually have a large fuel tank located somewhere&lt;br /&gt;nearby to power them. Photos taken moments after the impact show an&lt;br /&gt;already burning fire to the right of the main impact site that is&lt;br /&gt;emitting a dense cloud of black smoke.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pentagon" truck="" jpg=""&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 500px; height: 326px;" alt="Truck Bomb" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pentagon" truck="" jpg="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:85%;" &gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;This black smoke is&lt;br /&gt;consistent with burning fuel (diesel), which continued to burn long&lt;br /&gt;after the flames and smoke from the main impact had died down. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon, we would expect there to&lt;br /&gt;be a major and prolonged fire from the thousands of gallons of aircraft&lt;br /&gt;fuel that Flight 77 was carrying. But in the case that another smaller&lt;br /&gt;aircraft was used, the lack of burning aircraft fuel would be evident.&lt;br /&gt;It is our contention therefore that the conspirators detonated a bomb&lt;br /&gt;near the generator just before or at the moment of impact in order to&lt;br /&gt;augment the aircraft explosion claim (complete with thousands of&lt;br /&gt;gallons of fuel) and also to provide a literal smoke screen in an&lt;br /&gt;attempt to hide the fact that Flight 77 was not involved in the attack.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Gate Camera&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some people don't seem to see perspective correctly. I've zoomed in,&lt;br /&gt;and compared the two frames over and over - here is what I see as the&lt;br /&gt;airplane. I will repeat, however, that this is terrible evidence due to&lt;br /&gt;the horrible quality of the original images. I do believe, however,&lt;br /&gt;that the white smoke in the images is caused by one or more damaged&lt;br /&gt;engine from the impact with the multiple light poles on the way in (as&lt;br /&gt;seen in the above image).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/camera1b.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 500px; height: 260px;" alt="camera 1b" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/camera1b.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I stuck in a 757 that was at relatively the same angle - except it's&lt;br /&gt;banking slightly &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;to&lt;/span&gt; starboard instead of to&lt;br /&gt;port - hence the ONE wing is out of place. If it was banking slightly&lt;br /&gt;to port it would fit perfectly... However, once again - this is&lt;br /&gt;entirely subjective and the image quality from the released&lt;br /&gt;surveillance camera is not good enough to form a factual opinion. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The author's comment that "if it was banking slightly to port&lt;br /&gt;it (a 757) would fit perfectly" is really quite humorous. The fact is&lt;br /&gt;that you could "stick in" a tank or a bus or a large two-storey house&lt;br /&gt;and they would also "fit perfectly". &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The facts are as follows: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;There were &lt;i&gt;at least&lt;/i&gt; four video cameras capable of&lt;br /&gt;recording the attack on the Pentagon. One was on the roof of the&lt;br /&gt;Sheraton Hotel, a second was at a gas station across the road from the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon itself, the third belonged to the Virginia Department of&lt;br /&gt;Transportation and was stationed on route 27, which the aircraft flew&lt;br /&gt;over. The fourth was the Pentagonâ€™s security camera stationed at the&lt;br /&gt;opposite one end of the faÃ§ade from where the plane struck. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The footage from the cameras at the Sheraton, the gas station&lt;br /&gt;and on route 27 were confiscated by the FBI and have &lt;i&gt;never been&lt;br /&gt;released&lt;/i&gt;. The only footage made available to the public was that&lt;br /&gt;recorded by the Pentagonâ€™s security camera. According to the &lt;em&gt;Washington&lt;br /&gt;Times&lt;/em&gt; however, both the DOJ and the FBI denied responsibility for&lt;br /&gt;releasing the footage from the Pentagon's security camera: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"The&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon has not released any video or any photos from security cameras&lt;br /&gt;from the terrorist attack of Sept. 11," said Pentagon spokeswoman&lt;br /&gt;Cheryl Irwin. A spokeswoman at the Department of Justice, which reviews&lt;br /&gt;taped and photographed evidence obtained by federal security cameras,&lt;br /&gt;said she could not comment on whether the photos are legitimate, adding&lt;br /&gt;that the photos "were not disseminated by the FBI or the Department of&lt;br /&gt;Justice." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Of course, a simple denial does not mean that someone within&lt;br /&gt;the DOJ or the DOD or the FBI &lt;em&gt;did not&lt;/em&gt; release the footage to&lt;br /&gt;the public - after all, we&lt;em&gt; are&lt;/em&gt; dealing with a massive 9/11&lt;br /&gt;conspiracy and the footage &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; from the Pentagon's very own&lt;br /&gt;security camera. We can assume with a reasonable degree of certainty&lt;br /&gt;therefore, that someone within one of the arms of the American&lt;br /&gt;military/ political/ industrial complex released the footage and then&lt;br /&gt;denied that they did so, and for a very specific reason.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-size:85%;" &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/penta_smoke.jpg"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 500px; height: 269px;" alt="Smoke" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/penta_smoke.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The above photo is the first still from the only video&lt;br /&gt;footage of the Pentagon attack that has been made available. It is&lt;br /&gt;alleged that it shows an approaching Boeing 757 in the upper right hand&lt;br /&gt;corner. Do you see a Boeing 757-200 in this picture?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If we think back to the images and video footage of Flight 11&lt;br /&gt;and Flight 175 hitting the WTC towers, we remember that we all saw both&lt;br /&gt;large Boeing airplanes, as clear as day, even though they were flying&lt;br /&gt;at over 500 mph and were over 1,000 feet up in the air when they struck&lt;br /&gt;the WTC Towers. This provides us with an excellent guide on how such&lt;br /&gt;commercial aircraft appear at that distance. The side of the Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;is 971 feet long and the plane in the footage is no more than 750 feet&lt;br /&gt;(250 yards) from the camera that is stationed near the opposite end of&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon. Remember the indelible images of those huge planes flying&lt;br /&gt;into the World Trade Center towers? Even at that distance, even with&lt;br /&gt;the size of the WTC towers, the image and size of the aircraft that was&lt;br /&gt;burned into our minds from having seen the tapes replayed endlessly, is&lt;br /&gt;awe-inspiring. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Now, look again at the above image from the Pentagon Security&lt;br /&gt;camera of the plane approaching the building. Ask yourself the&lt;br /&gt;question: where is the Boeing 757-200 in this image? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Next time you are at an airport, take five minutes and go and&lt;br /&gt;look at some planes on the runway. Pick out a large passenger jet that&lt;br /&gt;is approximately 750 feet away, preferably one in the process of taking&lt;br /&gt;off or landing. Take a picture of it. Then look at this image from the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon Security camera again and ask yourself. Where &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;that Boeing 757?!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is that &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon,&lt;br /&gt;it would stick out like, wellâ€¦ like a Boeing 757 in this footage, but&lt;br /&gt;the simple and obvious fact is that there is no Boeing 757 there. In&lt;br /&gt;fact, there is no plane of any description in the footage released by&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Note that the time stamp displays a date and time of&lt;br /&gt;September 12th at 5.37:19 pm. The DOD has offered no reason for this&lt;br /&gt;discrepancy, which is understandable since they claim to have no&lt;br /&gt;knowledge about who released the images. In the footage, the&lt;br /&gt;progression of seconds jumps from 19, where it starts, to 21 and then&lt;br /&gt;on to 22 and 23 where it ends, meaning that one second and an&lt;br /&gt;undetermined number of frames have been cut from the film. No&lt;br /&gt;explanation has ever been offered by any official sources as to why&lt;br /&gt;this video footage has clearly been â€œdoctoredâ€, why one second and&lt;br /&gt;several frames have been removed â€“ frames that would likely show just&lt;br /&gt;what it was that struck the Pentagon. Of course, this is very&lt;br /&gt;convenient for exponents of the official story. The footage shows &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;flying into the Pentagon and exploding, and since we were all&lt;br /&gt;immediately told that that "something" was a 757, the case is closed,&lt;br /&gt;right? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Not really. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Quite apart from the fact that the doctoring of the video&lt;br /&gt;strongly suggests that someone released this footage in an attempt to&lt;br /&gt;provide "evidence" to the public that a 757 hit the Pentagon, while at&lt;br /&gt;the same time removing the incriminating frames and denying the public&lt;br /&gt;the right to actually &lt;em&gt;see&lt;/em&gt; what it was, in the images above we&lt;br /&gt;see a stream of white smoke that is entirely inconsistent with a&lt;br /&gt;commercial jet aircraft at ground level and much more in line with the&lt;br /&gt;trail left by a missile launch. Please note however that I am not&lt;br /&gt;saying that only a â€œmissileâ€ struck the Pentagon. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Note also the picture of actual impact and explosion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-size:85%;" &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pentcrash02.jpg"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 400px; height: 300px;" alt="pentacrash 02" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/pentcrash02.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Have you ever burned oil, or car gas or diesel? It burns with&lt;br /&gt;a dense black smoke, as does oil (see above picture of claimed truck&lt;br /&gt;bomb). The flame is predominantly red, which, I am told, is due to the&lt;br /&gt;low burn temperature of oil-based fuel (see picture of flames from&lt;br /&gt;plane explosions at WTC). While there are few bomb or explosive experts&lt;br /&gt;willing to weigh in, there have been a few who claim to know about bomb&lt;br /&gt;detonations who affirm that this white flame is clear evidence of&lt;br /&gt;explosives detonating. In fact, several eyewitnesses to the attack made&lt;br /&gt;it very clear that they knew that the explosion involved explosives, &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a mere aircraft full of fuel. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Eyewitness&lt;br /&gt;to the Pentagon attack and Pentagon worker &lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20021116175404/http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010921/usp14a.shtml" target="_blank"&gt;Don Perkal&lt;/a&gt;, was on the scene within minutes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;â€œEven before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew&lt;br /&gt;explosives had been set off somewhere.â€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;He also stated:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œHundreds&lt;br /&gt;of F.B.I., Secret Service and Defense Department plainclothes&lt;br /&gt;investigators were deployed in the parking lot, recording witness&lt;br /&gt;statements.â€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Another eyewitness, Gilah Goldsmith said:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œWe&lt;br /&gt;saw a huge black cloud of smokeâ€, adding that it smelled like cordite,&lt;br /&gt;or gun smoke. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/witness.html"&gt;Witnesses&lt;br /&gt;inside the Pentagon&lt;/a&gt;, mostly military men, described a shockwave and&lt;br /&gt;a blast.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/em&gt; ran a &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html" target="_blank"&gt;story&lt;/a&gt; where it was stated:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Air&lt;br /&gt;Force Lt. Col. Marc Abshire, 40, a speechwriter for Air Force Secretary&lt;br /&gt;James Roche, was working on several speeches this morning when he felt&lt;br /&gt;the blast of the explosion at the Pentagon. His office is on the D&lt;br /&gt;ring, near the eighth corridor, he said. â€œIt shot me back in my chair.&lt;br /&gt;There was a huge blast. I could feel the air &lt;em&gt;shock wave&lt;/em&gt; of&lt;br /&gt;itâ€, Abshire said. â€œI didnâ€™t know exactly what it was. It didnâ€™t&lt;br /&gt;rumble. It was more of a direct smack.â€&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Donald R. Bouchoux, 53, a retired Naval officer, a Great Falls&lt;br /&gt;resident, a Vietnam veteran and former commanding officer of a Navy&lt;br /&gt;fighter squadron, was driving west from Tysons Corner to the Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;for a 10am meeting. He wrote: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œAt&lt;br /&gt;9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the&lt;br /&gt;side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards (should&lt;br /&gt;be more than 150 yards from the impact) in front of me and impacted the&lt;br /&gt;side of the building. There was an enormous fireball, followed about&lt;br /&gt;two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to&lt;br /&gt;the right when the &lt;em&gt;shock wave hit&lt;/em&gt;.â€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6_37/local_news/10380-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;John Bowman&lt;/a&gt;, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel&lt;br /&gt;and a contractor, was in his office in Corridor Two near the main&lt;br /&gt;entrance to the south parking lot. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œEverything&lt;br /&gt;was calmâ€, Bowman said. â€œ&lt;em&gt;Most people knew it was a bomb&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Everyone evacuated smartly. &lt;em&gt;We have a good sprinkling of military&lt;br /&gt;people who have been shot at.&lt;/em&gt;â€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.pstripes.com/01/sep01/ed091201i.html" target="_blank"&gt;Stars&lt;br /&gt;and Stripes reporter Lisa Burgess&lt;/a&gt; was walking on the Pentagonâ€™s&lt;br /&gt;innermost corridor, across the courtyard, when the incident happened. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œI&lt;br /&gt;heard two loud booms - one large, one smaller, and the &lt;em&gt;shock wave&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;threw me against the wallâ€, she said. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Anger&lt;br /&gt;and guilt still sear Lieutenant Colonel Michael Beans who shakes his&lt;br /&gt;head ruefully and asks himself why he survived: "Why you, not them? Who&lt;br /&gt;made that decision?" (â€¦) Inside the Pentagon, the blast lifted Beans&lt;br /&gt;off the floor as he crossed a huge open office toward his desk. "You&lt;br /&gt;heard this huge concussion, then &lt;em&gt;the room filled with this real&lt;br /&gt;bright light, just like everything was encompassed within this bright&lt;br /&gt;light,"&lt;/em&gt; said Beans. "As soon as I hit the floor, all the lights&lt;br /&gt;went out, there was a small fire starting to burn."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;So we see that several witnesses, both inside and outside the&lt;br /&gt;building, described &lt;i&gt;a shockwave&lt;/i&gt; that knocked them to the&lt;br /&gt;ground. Several described it as a concussion. Such a shockwave cannot&lt;br /&gt;be explained by the impact of an aircraft or the combustion of jet&lt;br /&gt;fuel, and indicates the detonation of an explosive. Explosive&lt;br /&gt;detonations produce blast pressures thousands of times stronger than&lt;br /&gt;hydrocarbon fireballs because explosives are oxidized by chemicals&lt;br /&gt;intrinsic to them whereas hydrocarbons rely on oxygen in ambient air&lt;br /&gt;for combustion. Consequently the chemical reaction proceeds at a much&lt;br /&gt;higher rate in an explosive. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Hydrocarbon fireballs can produce detonation waves if the&lt;br /&gt;fuel and air are mixed prior to ignition, but such detonation waves are&lt;br /&gt;comparatively weak. The violence of most plane crashes precludes such&lt;br /&gt;pre-mixing. In the Twin Tower jet collisions, the columns of the&lt;br /&gt;curtain walls diced the fuel tanks in the wings, assuring fuel and air&lt;br /&gt;mixing about as optimally as could be imagined in a collision, and yet&lt;br /&gt;there were &lt;i&gt;no reports of detonation shockwaves&lt;/i&gt; from any&lt;br /&gt;survivors from the floors below the impact point. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Cordite is an explosive compound used in aircraft gun&lt;br /&gt;ammunition. Several witnesses with the benefit of military experience&lt;br /&gt;recognized the smell of this compound. Cordite N consists of three main&lt;br /&gt;explosive compounds: nitroguanidine, nitrocellulose, and nitroglycerin.&lt;br /&gt;It is cool-burning, and produces little smoke and no flash, but, like&lt;br /&gt;other explosives, produces a strong detonation wave.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Back to ATS forum post:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lets look at the physics involved&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Here CatHerder takes us off on a tangent that is wholly&lt;br /&gt;irrelevant to the task of analysing the likely physical impact of 80&lt;br /&gt;tons of metal and other solid matter on the Pentagon and therefore to&lt;br /&gt;answering the question of whether or not Flight 77 hit the Pentagon,&lt;br /&gt;because, despite the above heading, the only physics that is employed&lt;br /&gt;by the people at Purdue University is that pertaining to the physics of&lt;br /&gt;liquid, i.e. the fuel in the wings of the plane and its hypothesised&lt;br /&gt;effect on the Pentagon facade and interior. It therefore has little to&lt;br /&gt;do with the job of ironing out the problems of the claim that an 80 ton&lt;br /&gt;Boeing aircraft hit the Pentagon. We can only assume that it is an&lt;br /&gt;attempt to confuse the reader and detract from the main issue - that&lt;br /&gt;the totality of evidence at the Pentagon crash site is entirely &lt;i&gt;inconsistent&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;with a Boeing 757 having hit the Pentagon that day. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image040.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 435px; height: 310px;" alt="040" src="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/above_top_secret_files/image040.jpg" shapes="_x0000_i1059" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Engineers, computer scientists and graphics technology experts at&lt;br /&gt;Purdue University have created the first publicly available simulation&lt;br /&gt;that uses &lt;a href="http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/projects/popescu/pentagonVis_files/paper_422.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;scientific principles&lt;/a&gt; to study in detail what&lt;br /&gt;theoretically happened when the Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;last Sept. 11&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Using simulation software called &lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/12/2nd.plane.hits.cnn.med.ram" target="_blank"&gt;LS-&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Dyna&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the smart&lt;br /&gt;folks use the physically accurate simulation results as input to&lt;br /&gt;animations and visualizations to produce a vivid reenactment of the&lt;br /&gt;impact of the aircraft on the Pentagon building and provide the larger&lt;br /&gt;team with the necessary data to construct these using 3D Studio Max,&lt;br /&gt;AutoCAD, and research tools.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again the author is being less that transparent and omits to&lt;br /&gt;specify that the referenced research &lt;i&gt;looks at the impact of the &lt;em&gt;liquid&lt;br /&gt;in the fuel tanks&lt;/em&gt; and its effect on the Pentagon&lt;/i&gt;. In fact it&lt;br /&gt;is a testimony to the fact that even those that hold to the official&lt;br /&gt;version of events have had to resort to the idea that, in their own&lt;br /&gt;words:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"a&lt;br /&gt;basic hypothesis, informally confirmed with engineers knowledgeable in&lt;br /&gt;this subject, is that the bulk of the impact damage is due to the body&lt;br /&gt;of fuel in the wing and center tanks." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;And why? Because the damage to the Pentagon, including the 8&lt;br /&gt;feet wide circular hole punched out in ring C is ENTIRELY inconsistent&lt;br /&gt;with the impact of an 80 ton 757 jetliner. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The Purdue folks further state that:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"The&lt;br /&gt;purpose of this simulation is to understand the response of a&lt;br /&gt;reinforced concrete column subjected to high-speed impact of the &lt;strong&gt;fuel&lt;br /&gt;in the aircraft tanks&lt;/strong&gt;." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;But CatHerder conveniently leaves the details out. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Now we can see, through a very competent and valid&lt;br /&gt;simulator, what happened in the attack on the &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Pentagon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/projects/popescu/pentagonVis_files/pentagonVis2003.mpg"&gt;Click&lt;br /&gt;here to view a video generated by the simulator.&lt;/a&gt; Or, &lt;a href="http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/projects/popescu/pentagonVis_files/paper_422.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;click here to read the white paper.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, this simulation does not show us "what happened in the&lt;br /&gt;attack on the &lt;span class="GramE1"&gt;Pentagon&lt;/span&gt;"; it shows us the&lt;br /&gt;hypothesised effect of the FUEL in the wings on the Pentagon and is an&lt;br /&gt;example of the desperate attempts to find an explanation, ANY&lt;br /&gt;explanation, for why the impact damage is NOT consistent with the&lt;br /&gt;impact of a 757 when the government says it was a 757. In fact, the&lt;br /&gt;study above is contradictory if one wants to stick with the "13 ft&lt;br /&gt;cylinder" and "confetti-ized" wings theory. You can't have it both&lt;br /&gt;ways. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;In layman's terms the crash&lt;br /&gt;dynamics worked like so: A large hollow tube, with a belly full of&lt;br /&gt;luggage, a passenger bay with 60 people, and wings full of fuel smashed&lt;br /&gt;into the side of an almost solid object while moving at a tremendous&lt;br /&gt;speed (somewhere around 350-400mph). When the 225,000lb+ plane hit, it&lt;br /&gt;smashed apart with such force from the crash that it became like one&lt;br /&gt;massive column of liquid (no, the plane didn't melt or turn into&lt;br /&gt;liquid, it just acted like one physically - &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;mountainslides&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;act the same way, a million tons of rock acts like a large field of&lt;br /&gt;liquid during a landslide even if no water is present). All the small&lt;br /&gt;parts, luggage, people, seats, and all the tens of thousands of pounds&lt;br /&gt;of fuel acting like a massive river came crashing into the wall of the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon. This force burst through the outside wall and flowed through&lt;br /&gt;the inside to the next wall, and momentum carried this mass until it&lt;br /&gt;finally ran out of inertia at the 3rd ring.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/12/2nd.plane.hits.cnn.med.ram" target="_blank"&gt;Plane hitting WTC&lt;/a&gt; (another example of crash fluid&lt;br /&gt;dynamics) - RealAudio &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Required&lt;/span&gt; - note how&lt;br /&gt;the 767 "&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;liquifies&lt;/span&gt;" and flows through the&lt;br /&gt;WTC tower.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please do read the information on the Perdue website yourself - I don't&lt;br /&gt;do it justice with my one paragraph of paraphrasing! &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Indeed, not only does the author's paraphrasing and selective&lt;br /&gt;use of data not tell the truth about the real nature and reason for&lt;br /&gt;this "simulation", it attempts to distract and confuse the reader by&lt;br /&gt;suggesting that an 80 ton solid aircraft was little more than a column&lt;br /&gt;of liquid! Again, you can't have it both ways. If you are going to&lt;br /&gt;include the wings and fuel tanks, and twin 6 TON engines, then the hole&lt;br /&gt;is way too small for all of this together to have created it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;For anyone to try and compare the effects of an 80 ton&lt;br /&gt;aircraft crashing into a building at 400mph to the effects of a&lt;br /&gt;landslide of rocks and soil is far-fetched at best, yet it is testimony&lt;br /&gt;to the extreme lengths that CatHerder must go to to try and prove that&lt;br /&gt;a 757 hit the Pentagon when there is simply no evidence to stand on. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If a 757 really did hit the Pentagon then there should be no&lt;br /&gt;need for outlandish theories about columns of water. The evidence&lt;br /&gt;SHOULD be all there, and it should be a breeze to present facts that&lt;br /&gt;would quickly dismiss any attempts to suggest otherwise. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;But we see that this is not the case - in fact the exact&lt;br /&gt;opposite is true! CatHerder is finding it very difficult to prove&lt;br /&gt;something that should be easily provable if the evidence was there for&lt;br /&gt;ALL to see. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;p4&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"&gt;Please read again his/her claim that the plane:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p4&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;p4&gt;&lt;/p4&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;"smashed apart&lt;br /&gt;with such force from the crash that it became like one massive column&lt;br /&gt;of liquid (no, the plane didn't melt or turn into liquid, it just acted&lt;br /&gt;like one physically) [....] all the small parts, luggage, people,&lt;br /&gt;seats, and all the tens of thousands of pounds of fuel acting like a&lt;br /&gt;massive river came crashing into the wall of the Pentagon. This force&lt;br /&gt;burst through the outside wall and flowed through the inside to the&lt;br /&gt;next wall, and momentum carried this mass until it finally ran out of&lt;br /&gt;inertia at the 3rd ring" &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is amazing to observe CatHerder suggesting that, on impact with&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon, all of the parts of a 757 broke into pieces - flew&lt;br /&gt;everywhere as confetti - then somehow formed themselves into a 9 foot&lt;br /&gt;wide 20 feet tall concentrated column of energy (or water-like&lt;br /&gt;substance) that broke through 5 walls of the Pentagon leaving a neat 8&lt;br /&gt;ft by 12 ft round hole in the final 6th wall. Understand also that it&lt;br /&gt;is to such outlandish lengths that anyone, not just CatHerder, must go&lt;br /&gt;to if they want to make a 757 "fit" as the object that struck the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon on September 11th 2001.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"&gt;(Removed two aerial images of Pentagon before and&lt;br /&gt;after impact due to a lack of any stated reason for inclusion. See ATS&lt;br /&gt;website to view them.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13;"&gt;Eye Witness Testimony&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Lets look at some eye witness testimony sticking only to people&lt;br /&gt;who saw a plane hit the building, and not look at people who saw an&lt;br /&gt;airliner, but didn't see an airplane hit the building because they&lt;br /&gt;looked away or were too far away (behind a hill, behind a building,&lt;br /&gt;etc) to see it actually hit the building.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Aydan&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Kizildrgli&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner&lt;br /&gt;bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided&lt;br /&gt;building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was&lt;br /&gt;a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the&lt;br /&gt;car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- "&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/attack-usat.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;" USA&lt;br /&gt;Today, 11 Sep 2001 &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Note that in the above, the statement that this eyewitness&lt;br /&gt;saw an "airliner" is made by the USA reporter who wrote the story, &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;by the eyewitness himself who only heard a "big boom".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"&lt;b&gt;Frank &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Probst&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, an information&lt;br /&gt;management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his&lt;br /&gt;office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept.&lt;br /&gt;11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial&lt;br /&gt;airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77&lt;br /&gt;reached him so fast and flew so low that &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Probst&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;- "&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.troa.org/Magazine/January2002/feature3.asp" target="_blank"&gt;A Defiant Recovery.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/span&gt; The Retired&lt;br /&gt;Officer Magazine, January 2002&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Again, the comment that this eyewitness saw a "commercial&lt;br /&gt;airliner" is made by the reporter, not the eyewitness. In any case, an&lt;br /&gt;information management specialist working on the Pentagon Renovation&lt;br /&gt;Program is hardly a credible witness. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"&lt;b&gt;Omar Campo&lt;/b&gt;, a &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Salvadorean&lt;/span&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew&lt;br /&gt;over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways&lt;br /&gt;plane,' &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Mr&lt;/span&gt; Campo said. 'I was cutting the&lt;br /&gt;grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The&lt;br /&gt;whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never&lt;br /&gt;imagine I would see anything like that here.'"- "&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550486,00.html" target="_blank"&gt;Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;"The Guardian, 12&lt;br /&gt;Sep 2001&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;As I have said,&lt;br /&gt;I am not suggesting that no plane hit the Pentagon, I am suggesting&lt;br /&gt;that no 757 hit the Pentagon. I believe a plane did hit the Pentagon,&lt;br /&gt;because there is evidence of aircraft debris, (however scant that&lt;br /&gt;debris might be) and that it was dressed up in American Airline colors,&lt;br /&gt;complete with fake windows, in which case, it is possible that&lt;br /&gt;eyewitnesses may have concluded it was a passenger plane. Of course, a&lt;br /&gt;passenger plane is also the description of an aircraft the size of a&lt;br /&gt;twelve or twenty seat private jet, or something about the size of such&lt;br /&gt;a jet painted with AA colors. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;b&gt;Afework&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Hagos&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but&lt;br /&gt;stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew&lt;br /&gt;over.'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the&lt;br /&gt;plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It&lt;br /&gt;was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit&lt;br /&gt;some lampposts on the way in.'"- "&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550486,00.html" target="_blank"&gt;Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;" The Guardian,&lt;br /&gt;12 Sep 2001 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;This testimony is consistent with an aircraft hitting the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon, but not necessarily a 757. The comment that a "huge screaming&lt;br /&gt;noise" was heard is contradicted by other testimonies (below) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;b&gt;Henry Ticknor&lt;/b&gt;, intern minister at the Unitarian&lt;br /&gt;Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that&lt;br /&gt;Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low&lt;br /&gt;over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke&lt;br /&gt;and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said." &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;"&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.uua.org/world/2002/01/feature3a.html" target="_blank"&gt;Hell on Earth.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/span&gt; UU World &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;This eyewitness&lt;br /&gt;did not explicitly say that he saw AA Flight 77. His actual testimony&lt;br /&gt;is prefaced with the comment by the reporter that "American Airlines&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car". What the eyewitness&lt;br /&gt;actually saw was a "puff of white smoke", which is very interesting.&lt;br /&gt;One naturally wonders why the reporter did not quote the witness&lt;br /&gt;entirely instead of putting words in his mouth that he may never have&lt;br /&gt;said.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," &lt;b&gt;Dan&lt;br /&gt;Creed&lt;/b&gt; said. He and two colleagues from &lt;i&gt;Oracle software&lt;/i&gt; were&lt;br /&gt;stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they&lt;br /&gt;saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off&lt;br /&gt;the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing&lt;br /&gt;more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see&lt;br /&gt;the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening&lt;br /&gt;thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels&lt;br /&gt;up," - &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ahwatukee.com/afn/community/articles/020906a.html" target="_blank"&gt;Ahwatukee Foothill News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If this testimony is truthful, then there is little doubt&lt;br /&gt;that this eyewitness saw a plane, but was it a 757? Notice that he&lt;br /&gt;never says that it was a Boeing 757. More "selective quoting." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gary Bauer&lt;/b&gt; former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the&lt;br /&gt;woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her&lt;br /&gt;face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of&lt;br /&gt;our windows to try to see the plane, and it &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;wasn't&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind&lt;br /&gt;us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.&lt;br /&gt;The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible&lt;br /&gt;moment." &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2001/dec%202001/1201bauer.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Massachusetts News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If this testimony is truthful, then there is little doubt&lt;br /&gt;that this eyewitness saw a plane, but was it a 757? Having said that,&lt;br /&gt;we note that Gary Bauer was a presidential candidate in 2000 and is an&lt;br /&gt;avowed right-winger and Bush supporter, for what it's worth. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sean &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Boger&lt;/span&gt;, Air Traffic Controller&lt;br /&gt;and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and&lt;br /&gt;the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit&lt;br /&gt;the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Boger&lt;/span&gt; said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground&lt;br /&gt;and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the&lt;br /&gt;building." &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6_46/local_news/12049-1.html" target="_blank"&gt;dcmilitary.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; November 16, 2001&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;CatHerder must be completely unaware of what constitutes a&lt;br /&gt;credible witness. Perhaps it escaped him/her that we are dealing with a&lt;br /&gt;government conspiracy to murder and the testimony of a Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;official can hardly be called impartial.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that&lt;br /&gt;we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was&lt;br /&gt;obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The&lt;br /&gt;distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the&lt;br /&gt;fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA&lt;br /&gt;bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and&lt;br /&gt;took in a lot of smoke," &lt;b&gt;Captain &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Defina&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;said. Captain &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Defina&lt;/span&gt; was the shift&lt;br /&gt;commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/exclusive_11.01.01.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1" target="_blank"&gt;NFPA Journal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; November 1, 2001 &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Captain Defina may well have seen pieces of a nose gear, or&lt;br /&gt;some aircraft part that looked like a nose gear, but to which aircraft&lt;br /&gt;did these pieces belong? Having said that, it is somewhat surprising&lt;br /&gt;that the nose gear from any aircraft would be visible inside the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon if we are to believe that the nosegear took the full force of&lt;br /&gt;the initial impact. After all, the nose gear is one of the most &lt;i&gt;fragile&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;parts of a Boeing aircraft, being made out of carbon rather than&lt;br /&gt;aluminium, and would undoubtedly be destroyed beyond recognition by the&lt;br /&gt;time it reached the interior of the building. Of course, if the nose&lt;br /&gt;gear of the plane that struck the Pentagon was &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; the first&lt;br /&gt;thing to impact, then it is possible that some nose gear debris might&lt;br /&gt;be found inside. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;That's just a &lt;b&gt;small smattering&lt;/b&gt; of people who have&lt;br /&gt;gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I&lt;br /&gt;could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't&lt;br /&gt;see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees),&lt;br /&gt;but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and&lt;br /&gt;actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;firechief&lt;/span&gt; who states he saw some plane wreckage&lt;br /&gt;during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty&lt;br /&gt;times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the&lt;br /&gt;crash, or simply don't want the attention. You can't &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;honeslty&lt;/span&gt; sit there and deny the witnesses, the&lt;br /&gt;photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a&lt;br /&gt;terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available&lt;br /&gt;and not one single tidbit of information at a time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;If that's the best CatHerder can do in assembling testimony,&lt;br /&gt;it simply proves our point about the overly anxious and desperate&lt;br /&gt;efforts being made to prove something that, if it were true, would not&lt;br /&gt;require such efforts. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Notice the subtle suggestion that CatHerder's analysis&lt;br /&gt;includes "everything available". Notice also that the two testimonies&lt;br /&gt;from Pentagon employees are included in those that CatHerder believes&lt;br /&gt;to be the "most valid". Also, having presented us with some dubious and&lt;br /&gt;inconclusive eyewitness testimonies, we are told that we cannot deny&lt;br /&gt;that these testimonies are proof conclusive that a 757 really did hit&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon! What is true, as CatHerder states, is that there are&lt;br /&gt;indeed many more eyewitness testimonies that he/she could have&lt;br /&gt;included. However, once you read some of them, you will understand why&lt;br /&gt;he/she did not include them. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;For example:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.space.com/php/contactus/feedback.php"&gt;Lon Rains&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"&gt;an editor of Space.com, was also an eyewitness to the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon attack. He commented:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œIn light&lt;br /&gt;traffic the drive up Interstate 395 from Springfield to downtown&lt;br /&gt;Washington takes no more than 20 minutes. But that morning, like many&lt;br /&gt;others, the traffic slowed to a crawl just in front of the Pentagon.&lt;br /&gt;With the Pentagon to the left of my van at about 10 oâ€™clock on the dial&lt;br /&gt;of a clock, I glanced at my watch to see if I was going to be late for&lt;br /&gt;my appointment. At that moment I heard a very loud, quick whooshing&lt;br /&gt;sound that began behind me and stopped suddenly in front of me and to&lt;br /&gt;my left. In fractions of a second I heard the impact and an explosion.&lt;br /&gt;The next thing I saw was the fireball. &lt;em&gt;I was convinced it was a&lt;br /&gt;missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane.&lt;/em&gt;â€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Allen Cleveland&lt;br /&gt;of Woodbridge Virginia looked out from a Metro train going to National&lt;br /&gt;Airport, to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. "I thought,&lt;br /&gt;'There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,' " Before&lt;br /&gt;he could process that thought, he saw "a huge mushroom cloud. The lady&lt;br /&gt;next to me was in absolute hysterics."" . . a silver passenger jet, mid&lt;br /&gt;sized"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html" target="_blank"&gt;Steve Patterson&lt;/a&gt;, 43, said he was watching&lt;br /&gt;television reports of the World Trade Center being hit when he saw a&lt;br /&gt;silver commuter jet fly past the window of his 14th-floor apartment in&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon City:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œThe plane was&lt;br /&gt;about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20 feet off the&lt;br /&gt;ground, Patterson said. He said the plane, which sounded like the&lt;br /&gt;high-pitched squeal of a fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetery so&lt;br /&gt;low that he thought it was going to land on I-395. It was flying so&lt;br /&gt;fast that he couldnâ€™t read any writing on the side. The plane, which&lt;br /&gt;appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed straight for the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon but was flying as if coming in for a landing on a nonexistent&lt;br /&gt;runway"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œI was right&lt;br /&gt;underneath the planeâ€, &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html" target="_blank"&gt;said Kirk Milburn&lt;/a&gt;, a construction supervisor for&lt;br /&gt;Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of&lt;br /&gt;Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon.&lt;br /&gt;â€œI heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying.â€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Kirk Milburn - who was driving his vehicle at the time - said&lt;br /&gt;he &lt;i&gt;saw&lt;/i&gt; the plane heading for the Pentagon, and because he saw&lt;br /&gt;it he also said, â€œI heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flyingâ€. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;What he said next, however, is not in keeping with a 757: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;â€œI guess it was&lt;br /&gt;hitting light polesâ€, said Milburn. â€œIt was like a whoosh whoosh, then&lt;br /&gt;there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion.â€ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Notice that the witness says, â€œI guess it was hitting the&lt;br /&gt;light polesâ€. One suspects that &lt;i&gt;he couldnâ€™t see it if he was&lt;br /&gt;guessing&lt;/i&gt;. What is most interesting is that he said, â€œIt was like a&lt;br /&gt;WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second&lt;br /&gt;explosionâ€. No doubt he saw &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;, but since he was also&lt;br /&gt;driving at the time, it is not certain exactly &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt; he saw.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Two early, primary witnesses have described a sound of a&lt;br /&gt;â€œwhooshâ€! The second one, when he couldnâ€™t see it, said it was like a&lt;br /&gt;â€œWHOOSH whooshâ€, just like the other man who couldnâ€™t see it, but then&lt;br /&gt;he has also told us that he saw a plane and heard a plane. But what he&lt;br /&gt;described was most definitely not a 757 flying low over his head. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;A 757, under no circumstances makes a sound of â€œwhooshâ€, and&lt;br /&gt;if the â€œwhooshâ€ sound was being made by the hitting of light poles, it&lt;br /&gt;is a certainty that if a 757 was doing it, you would not hear the&lt;br /&gt;â€œwhooshâ€ of hitting light poles over the roar of the jet engines. If&lt;br /&gt;thereâ€™s a 757 right overhead thatâ€™s hitting light poles, and itâ€™s going&lt;br /&gt;460 mph, it would not be â€œwhooshingâ€! Anyone that has ever spent any&lt;br /&gt;time at the end of an international airport runway knows that the sound&lt;br /&gt;of a large commercial jet flying low overhead would be more accurately&lt;br /&gt;described as a deafening ROAR!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;It is true that&lt;br /&gt;eyewitness testimonies are notoriously unreliable. Take ten witnesses&lt;br /&gt;to an event and it is likely that you will get ten responses that will&lt;br /&gt;differ from each other in one aspect or another. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.abdn.ac.uk/%7Epsy282/dept/eyewitness.htm" target="_blank"&gt;Memory Conformity: Disentangling the Steps towards&lt;br /&gt;Influence during a Discussion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Amina Memon &amp; Fiona Gabbert, Aberdeen and Dan Wright, Sussex&lt;br /&gt;University).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is human nature for people to discuss their shared experiences,&lt;br /&gt;especially of extraordinary events such as witnessing a crime. Recent&lt;br /&gt;studies of several high profile cases have shown that even a single&lt;br /&gt;erroneous eyewitness can have a significant negative influence on the&lt;br /&gt;accuracy of another eyewitnessâ€™s testimony if the witnesses come into&lt;br /&gt;contact with one another and discuss the criminal event. Although it is&lt;br /&gt;natural for people to discuss their experiences, it is highly&lt;br /&gt;problematic for the legal professionals, and our system of justice, if&lt;br /&gt;evidence â€“ in the form of witness statements â€“ becomes contaminated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our previous research (funded by the Economic &amp;amp; Social Research&lt;br /&gt;Council) investigated how peoplesâ€™ memories can become influenced&lt;br /&gt;during a discussion about a mutually experienced event under controlled&lt;br /&gt;laboratory-based conditions. &lt;em&gt;When people discuss an event what one&lt;br /&gt;person says is often adversely incorporated into the other personâ€™s&lt;br /&gt;report.&lt;/em&gt; ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Having said&lt;br /&gt;that, given the nature of the events that are alleged to have occurred&lt;br /&gt;at the Pentagon on 9/11 - a large commercial airliner crashing into a&lt;br /&gt;large building, we might expect most people to concur at least on the&lt;br /&gt;basic details. But, as we have seen, that is not the case with the&lt;br /&gt;Pentagon attack. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;I am of the opinion therefore that the &lt;i&gt;very conflicting&lt;br /&gt;nature of the testimonies of the eyewitnesses&lt;/i&gt; to the Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;attack are important clues revealing the true nature of what happened&lt;br /&gt;that day. Imagine that a significant number of people are witness to a&lt;br /&gt;large commercial airliner flying extremely low and at high speed over&lt;br /&gt;an urban area and crashing into a building. Imagine also that, not long&lt;br /&gt;thereafter, all eyewitnesses to the event are told by authorities and&lt;br /&gt;the media that it was indeed a large commercial airliner that flew into&lt;br /&gt;the building. Now ask yourself: in such a case, how likely is it that&lt;br /&gt;there would be &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; serious discrepancies between the&lt;br /&gt;testimonies of those eyewitnesses? How likely is that &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; of&lt;br /&gt;the eyewitnesses would report that what they actually saw was a small&lt;br /&gt;aircraft or something that sounded like a missile? Unlikely, I would&lt;br /&gt;suggest.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Now imagine that&lt;br /&gt;a significant number of people are witness to a drone aircraft like the&lt;br /&gt;Global Hawk for example, which also flies very low and very fast over&lt;br /&gt;an urban area. While the wingspan of this drone craft is quite large,&lt;br /&gt;it is much smaller in overall size to a large commercial aircraft.&lt;br /&gt;Imagine also that this drone is painted with the colors and logo of a&lt;br /&gt;well-known airline that are only ever seen on large commercial&lt;br /&gt;aircraft. Imagine that there are even â€œwindowsâ€ painted on the side to&lt;br /&gt;make the illusion all the more convincing. Imagine that, not long after&lt;br /&gt;witnessing the incident, all eyewitnesses to the event are told by&lt;br /&gt;authorities and the media that what they saw was a large commercial&lt;br /&gt;airliner flying into the building. Now ask yourself: in such a case,&lt;br /&gt;what are the chances that there would be seriously conflicting reports&lt;br /&gt;between eyewitness accounts of the incident? Very good, I would&lt;br /&gt;suggest. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Eyewitness&lt;br /&gt;accounts are indeed useless when one must rely on them as the sole&lt;br /&gt;evidence. This is not, however, the case with the Pentagon attack.&lt;br /&gt;There is already &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; evidence - the facts on the ground - to&lt;br /&gt;suggest that it was &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon on&lt;br /&gt;9/11. The fact that there are serious conflicts in eyewitness accounts&lt;br /&gt;merely serves to back up this other evidence that it was NOT a Boeing&lt;br /&gt;757 that hit the Pentagon.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;We might also&lt;br /&gt;wonder why there are no conflicting WITNESS reports of what hit the WTC&lt;br /&gt;towers? All eyewitnesses to the event in New York concurred that two&lt;br /&gt;large passenger plane hit the North and South towers. Of course, we&lt;br /&gt;were all treated to ad nauseam repeats of the video footage of that&lt;br /&gt;event, leaving no one in any doubt about what happened. So why not&lt;br /&gt;treat us all to the video evidence from the Pentagon? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;There is one very obvious answer to this question: the video&lt;br /&gt;footage, held by the US government, would disprove the official story. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/18/sot.pent.911.tape.wttg.med.ram" target="_blank"&gt;911 Tape of EMV responding&lt;/a&gt; to the Pentagon -&lt;br /&gt;includes video outside and inside the building in some areas. (Real&lt;br /&gt;Audio Required) &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;The above video&lt;br /&gt;and audio of EMV responding is completely inconsequential to the&lt;br /&gt;investigation at hand, and I can think of no reason why CatHerder would&lt;br /&gt;include it, other than to attempt in some subtle way to drive home the&lt;br /&gt;official claim that a 757 hit the Pentagon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:13;"&gt;Conclusion&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I &lt;b&gt;highly&lt;/b&gt; doubt that local firefighters would be involved in any&lt;br /&gt;sort of a &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;coverup&lt;/span&gt;. I &lt;b&gt;highly&lt;/b&gt; doubt&lt;br /&gt;that local police officers would be involved in any sort of a&lt;br /&gt;government cover up. Cops and firemen are just average Joes like you&lt;br /&gt;and me, who go home to the wife and kids, and just try to make a living&lt;br /&gt;and have a good life for their families (I have many friends in both&lt;br /&gt;professions - of course the firemen are usually more stable&lt;br /&gt;marriage-wise because of their job but that doesn't make the cops any&lt;br /&gt;less human than you or I). The men and women who pulled over a hundred&lt;br /&gt;people (dead and alive) out of that building would more likely than not&lt;br /&gt;have noticed somebody carrying over 60 bodies into the middle of the&lt;br /&gt;fire they were fighting. To say that the plane that hit the Pentagon&lt;br /&gt;was not filled with every single person who died in this terrorist&lt;br /&gt;attack (not counting the unfortunate people inside the building) is one&lt;br /&gt;thing and one thing only - ignorant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Oh, LORD! Not the dreaded "malignant pseudo-identification"&lt;br /&gt;again! You know, the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt; process by&lt;br /&gt;which a COINTELPRO agent consciously imitates or simulates certain&lt;br /&gt;behaviors or beliefs in order to foster "identification" with him/her,&lt;br /&gt;thus increasing the vulnerability to exploitation. Yes indeed,&lt;br /&gt;CatHerder is just an "average Joe" like "you and me." And just to make&lt;br /&gt;it hit home, the emotional hooks of "family," a "good life," "making a&lt;br /&gt;living," and "stable marriages" are tossed in there followed by the&lt;br /&gt;final tear jerker, an outrageous reference to the people who died that&lt;br /&gt;day. It is outrageous because it is finally clear that CatHerder is,&lt;br /&gt;indeed, an agent of disinformation and using such emotional ploys, as&lt;br /&gt;this is truly malignant pseudo-identification.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Having said that, let's return to the fact that the point is&lt;br /&gt;not that firefighters or police officers were involved in the cover up&lt;br /&gt;as CatHerder slickly suggests is the claim of anyone who says that&lt;br /&gt;Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, but rather that any of them that&lt;br /&gt;saw something they were not meant to, could have been easily silenced.&lt;br /&gt;The most obvious way to silence the "average Joe" who is honest,&lt;br /&gt;hard-working and normally patriotic, is to impress on such a person&lt;br /&gt;that they must not talk about something due to "national security". If&lt;br /&gt;they were to persist in wanting to talk about what they saw, more&lt;br /&gt;persuasive methods can be used like threats to their livelihood etc.,&lt;br /&gt;up to and including murder. But murder is seldom required. A simple&lt;br /&gt;letter with details of family and friends and an order to "keep your&lt;br /&gt;mouth shut" is more than enough for most people. As CatHerder says:&lt;br /&gt;"cops and firemen are just average Joes like you and me, who go home to&lt;br /&gt;the wife and kids, and just try to make a living and have a good life&lt;br /&gt;for their families." They are not likely to risk their livelihood, or&lt;br /&gt;the lives of their children for 5 minutes of fame on national TV. They&lt;br /&gt;keep their mouths shut. And that's a tragedy that CatHerder doesn't&lt;br /&gt;seem to be able to understand. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;As regards the&lt;br /&gt;"carrying of 60 bodies into the middle of the fire". This is simply&lt;br /&gt;more evidence of CatHerder's attempts to confuse and manipulate the&lt;br /&gt;reader. I know of no site that suggests that the bodies of the&lt;br /&gt;passengers on Flight 77 were carried into or out of the Pentagon after&lt;br /&gt;the attack. The identification of the bodies was carried out off site&lt;br /&gt;by the state pathologist. We were never shown footage nor did we hear&lt;br /&gt;reports about anyone picking up pieces of passengers from Flight 77&lt;br /&gt;from the attack site, we were simply told that all passengers were&lt;br /&gt;identified from their DNA from body parts that were in the possession&lt;br /&gt;of the state pathologist. It is simply assumed that the state&lt;br /&gt;pathologist got the bodies parts from the Pentagon site, because of&lt;br /&gt;course, the government told us that Flight 77 crashed there - where&lt;br /&gt;else would the body parts come from!? But as I have shown, it is&lt;br /&gt;extremely unlikely that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, which&lt;br /&gt;makes the question of how the state pathologist got hold of body parts&lt;br /&gt;from the passengers a very interesting question. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Of course, we have not even touched on that most bizarre&lt;br /&gt;aspect of the Pentagon strike - the alleged final approach of Flight&lt;br /&gt;77. Think about this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hijackers are a few thousand feet up in the air, they spot the&lt;br /&gt;distinctive shape of the Pentagon and decide, "that's our target". What&lt;br /&gt;do they do next?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, logic would suggest that they take the easy and most effective&lt;br /&gt;option and nose-dive the plane towards the center of the Pentagon,&lt;br /&gt;thereby maximising the chances of actually hitting the building at such&lt;br /&gt;high speed and also causing the most damage. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;But no, our&lt;br /&gt;intrepid "Arab terrorists" have a much more complicated plan:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They are going to fly the airliner at maximum speed just a few feet off&lt;br /&gt;the ground into the facade of the Pentagon; but not just any part of&lt;br /&gt;the facade. No indeed, these guys have a plan. Their specifically&lt;br /&gt;chosen "bull's eye" is the section of the facade of the Pentagon that&lt;br /&gt;had recently been reinforced and, due to the ongoing internal work, had&lt;br /&gt;a significantly reduced number of people in it. These nutty hijackers,&lt;br /&gt;consumed with rage and anger at America, its government, its military&lt;br /&gt;and its citizens, and determined to inflict as much carnage as&lt;br /&gt;possible, had somehow chosen the strongest part of the Pentagon which&lt;br /&gt;at the same time had the lowest concentration of people! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;Now how's that for bad luck!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To carry out their bizarre plan, which appears designed to minimise&lt;br /&gt;death and destruction at the Pentagon rather than maximise it, and&lt;br /&gt;given that they realise that they are &lt;a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml" target="_blank"&gt;very poor pilots, failing to possess the skills to&lt;br /&gt;master the controls of a single-engined cessna&lt;/a&gt;, our intrepid&lt;br /&gt;"terrorists" decide that they will execute a difficult fast descent&lt;br /&gt;from 7,000 feet combined with a 270 degree turn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This done, they are now at a few hundred feet and in "line of sight" of&lt;br /&gt;the Pentagon up ahead of them. The only problem is that they are now&lt;br /&gt;confronted with a veritable obstacle course of cars, roads, bridges,&lt;br /&gt;buildings, trees etc between them and their target. Not to worry - they&lt;br /&gt;have Allah on their side after all. By some miracle they manage to&lt;br /&gt;navigate the massive hulk of the 757 through down town Washington while&lt;br /&gt;flying at 500 mph and just a few dozen feet off the ground, getting&lt;br /&gt;lower all the time. They make just a little booboo and clip a couple of&lt;br /&gt;light poles on the way in, but despite this and the fact that their&lt;br /&gt;massive manual missile is just feet of the ground, they politely avoid&lt;br /&gt;messing up the Pentagon lawn and finally slam into their target at&lt;br /&gt;ground floor level. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 1
